I would guess that there are thousands and thousands of power plants in the USA. I bet there are 20 or less chip fabs in the USA
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How does that translate into making the building of said facility more difficult?
Not trolling. Serious question.
Wow that's going to be tough for you guys. Good luck. I wonder if any of the other manufacturers are going to follow suit.
If not Ford might lose their best selling truck title.
I can't imagine this is all related to a chip shortage. They are making less cars than they did a few years ago so they demand for chips is less. But I do know that China has increased their prices for components and materials for said chips 300%-400%.
My wife is a global manager for a company that makes semi conductors and the shit she tells me that China pulls is alarming. Their U.S factory is at 110% capacity, mandatory overtime, and they are building another one here. The European factories are down production wise because, well, Europeans are lazy.
Anybody know the sales figures ytd for half tons?
Nice tag line under your avatar. Subtle but revealing.
What did I do now?
I’ll tell you this… I’m a Ford guy through and through….
But 10,000 Markups are not something I will pay. If Dodge and or GMC offer reasonable Pricing and Ford chooses not to, I will shop elsewhere for my Vehicles.
I often like your responses...
But this one doesn't make sense.
It's not Ford, Dodge, GMC, Honda, Hyundai, etc that has mark ups. It's particular dealers.
Before you decide to go shop another brand, let me quote you prices.
Oh I certainly will. And when I say Ford I mean the dealerships. Which as you stated isn’t a fair assessment as some have been reasonable where others are out of control ridiculous.
I always shop around and Missouri ain’t that far for me to grab a good deal.
I’ll definitely hit you up.We traded a F-350 and added a Ram 3500 to our fleet a few years ago and my dad traded his King Ranch for a Longhorn. Based on my experience's with those two trucks I think Ford makes a better product and it is especially noticeable on the lower levels Tradesmen vs XL.
I think the Ram looks nicer and is nicer inside, but I think the Ford is built better. Is that worth more, sure. maybe $1k-$2k not but anywhere near the $7k I'm seeing on XLT vs Big Horn. Factor in the financing and the difference is even more. (See post 770)
The tolerances and cleanliness required make everything painstakingly slow. There is no good enough, it must be perfect. That fact explains why the Chinese have/had such a hard time building fabs, their engineering is geared for good enough, which is why their shit has a distressing habit of falling down.
I agree with most except the rams looks. But again, definitely not worth the mark ups being peddled by Ford dealers.
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There's more of them and they've been built here for a long time. Components are more available, there are more people that are familiar with them, more companies can work on it.
It's like...is it easier and faster to build a 9 second foxbody or some other car that doesn't even exist over here in the US
That makes sense. I could see that being a serious hinderance to completing the project.
So how many years does it take to build a chip plant?
That seems extremely unreasonable. Any articles related to that?
The Intel plant they are supposed to start this year in Columbus is supposed to begin producing chips in 2025, if you believe that.
And in Texas, Samsung said it expects building work to commence in the first half of 2022 and it hopes to have the site in operation by the second half of 2024.
It's not even the mark-up. Ram dealers are giving you money off and have 0% for 60 months. Nick always works out a great deal for people here (Except when he couldn't get me a Raptor allocation, forcing me to buy my Turbo S, You'll get me next time Nick), and there are other Ford dealers who will deal with you a little bit. But even so it is still a huge difference.
I'd rather see my son get another F-150 but it isn't worth what he'd have to pay to get into one.
And I agree, looks are subjective.
My wife's company will have their facility up and running 3rd or 4th Qtr 2023. That's almost 2 years. And they build mil-spec & aviation stuff.
Yeah I interpreted that as up and running facilities can expand in a shorter multi year time frame, scratch build are gonna be awhile.
Can't get the chips to build machines that build chips will be a issue.
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