Intake spacer question?

[cobra916]

Once I install the intake spacer, can I race my car with the the bolt on's I got without a Tune or do I need to get a tune already?......... My mods are JLT cai ,slp LM1's catback, Mac o/r prochamber and intake spacer. thanx

guess its not a 100$$ modd anymore.. huh??

 

[cobra916]

Here's the article. The Throttle Stop tuned my DSG mach....I've had the plessure of talkign to all three of them on numerous occasions. I was saddened to hear of their split. They were all great guys. I've even seen Steve's Mach on craigslist recently. Wish I could have picked it up.
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Paul's High Performance - Spacer

PHP IntakeSpacerReview by Guest M1R Reviewer Steve Foley

The Paul’s High Performance intakespacerfor the Mach 1 is designed to increase runner length by increasing the distance between the intake cover and intake by means of a 3/8 inch spacer and gasket. This improves airflow, reduces restriction, and cools the incoming air charge. PHP reports gains of 4-8 RWHP/TQ with this spacer. The kit comes with an intakespacer, gasket and 5 new intake bolts.

The Mach 1 Review decided to put the spacer to the test at Apex Motorsports (www.apexmotorsports.com)in Santa Clara, CA. The Mach 1 used for this test has been modified with a K&N filter, 2 ½ in. Magnaflow high flow X pipe and 2 ½ in. Magnapack CAT Back. A baseline was obtained with these mods on Jan. 18th 2004 on the same dyno on a considerably colder day. The car also had its air box snorkel and MAF screen removed. The mileage on this car at the time was 7,000 miles. The mileage on the car at the time of the spacer test was 9,000 miles and the ambient temperature was much warmer. The air box snorkel and MAF screen was also in place at the time. The Mach 1 Review prides itself on reporting accurate and straightforward information, and that is why it has included the mileage/snorkel/screen difference on the test car.

The baseline dyno numbers were achieved with 3 pulls, and the results were a best of 285.9 RWHP and 295.6 RWTQ, both SAE corrected. The A/F ratio was a steady 12.5 throughout with a dip to 12.0 between 4,000 and 5,000 RPM’s. This RPM range also corresponds with the peak RWTQ numbers.

The spacertest numbers were achieved with 2 pulls, and the results were a best of 289.0 RWHP and 310.4 RWTQ. The A/F ratio was also a steady 12.5 for most of the pull, with a jump to 13.0 between 3,400-3,800 RPMS’s and a dip to 12.0 between 4,000-5000 RPM’s.
Overall the gains were 3.1 RWHP and 14.8 RWTQ. The RWTQ gains were highly welcomed, as the car seemed to have lost some low-end torque after the install of the high flow x and cat back.

Overall the installation takes anywhere from 30 minutes to an hour depending on mechanical aptitude and experience. The shaker must be removed and it is highly recommended that the EGR assembly be removed as well, as this enables you to completely remove the upper intake. Others have tried installing the spacer without removing the EGR and this only allows you to lift the upper intake so far, causing you to slide the spacer and gasket in place. This leaves you to guess on whether or not it is properly aligned and in place. The kit comes with 5 intakebolts that are longer than the stock bolts. 2 bolts must be re-used, one that holds the throttle linkage mount and the other that is directly across from the throttle body. Simply remove the shaker/EGR valve, unbolt all 7 bolts from the intake spacer and lift the upper intake up and off. Place the spacer on top of the existing gasket and place the new gasket on top. Re-install in reverse order and there you have it.

While the Mach 1 review doesn’t like to subscribe to “butt-o-meter” results, the PHP spacer is definitely a seat of the pants mod. The Mach 1’s 32 Valve motor wakes up at 3,500 RPM and with the PHP spacer the car seems to pull harder from that point on and more low-end torque is definitely felt through the gears. No stalling issues arose from the installation of the spacer which seems to be common among other intake modifications."
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I was wrong that it was the same day. It is a different day so the numbers are not the same as noted. However, I've had TWO of these spacers and Will Continue to stand by them. TQ is what you feel...it's that simple....and this is a TQ mod.

Where people are wrong....................they are so used to seeing HP increases, and not TQ increases that they think this is a crappy mod because you only get 3-5rwhp gain.....I'll say it again, THIS IS A TQ MOD, NOT AN HP MOD.

after reading the first sentence i cant read this article.. sorry we all should know it doesnt increase runner length..

 

[ponygt65]

I got 7hp and 10 flbsTq with a before Dyno and install Dyno sheets to prove it. Besides Pauls Hi- Performace did the same install in MMFF mag way back in 03. Cobra 916 is an idiot but too stupid to realize it ! Nuff said.

No shit Rich...I'm starting to see that.

after reading the first sentence i cant read this article.. sorry we all should know it doesnt increase runner length..

Dumbass.....do you NOT see that it simply says "DESIGNED TO".

You're too ignorant and clueless to see that you're ignorant and clueless. I've tried to help you out before....but if you're just going to be so hard headedly ignorant to not listen to those that have BEEN THERE AND DONE THAT, then whatever man.

I do have one question for you............why are you so stuck on it not being beneficial? I mean....where's the proof that an intake spacer does not improve power on a mach motor? Dyno sheets (as rich has pointed out) can be shown to prove it does, so where are these that I hear about that show they don't? I've heard of a Non-mach motor, and I've heard of one unreliable source (which will remain nameless) say it doesn't work with Machs. Yet, no proof from that person.

 

[cobra916]

So, it never occured to you that I may know what I'm talking about?...even just a little?

I KNOW the spacer increase low range adn peak TQ...how? The Throttle Stop. A shop owned by three guys STeve, Tim, and Aaron. They were up in your neck of the woods (Roseville). They tested darn near EVERY PRODUCT claimed for hte mach...C and L CAI, K and N CAI, JLT CAI, VARIOUS midpipe's, the Intake Spacer......Their Dyno..same day, same car, NOT EVEN RE-TUNED, just the intake spacer, increased 14 RWTQ. because they are no longer around, their website Mach1review is longer up. However I (and a fellow macher) have posted exerts from their article.

As for why Ford didn't do it?..IDK, why didn't ford use wider rims, why didn't they use a mach 1 specfic bumper?.....It's called FUNDS. Also, if ford has all the answers, why did they use the 4-threaded heads? Engineers are not perfect.

you know some stuff but that doesnt mean you know it all.. ive seen you tell peolpe to run a sullivan on a pretty close to stock machs... and you prolly know by now that is far from ideal. its okay we dont have to agree.. there is a thread in the new edge section that is the same topic as this one let all keep a eye on that.

 

[Nineonesix]

Well I got one and it was closer to 120. I dont want or care to drop another 90 bucks just to see the small torque gain. Unless someone is wanting to donate me the money lol.

*edit* Nevermind lol. When I got dyno and tuned I had a x-pipe, now since the spacer I have put the stock hpipe back on

 

[ponygt65]

you know some stuff but that doesnt mean you know it all.. ive seen you tell peolpe to run a sullivan on a pretty close to stock machs... and you prolly know by now that is far from ideal. its okay we dont have to agree.. there is a thread in the new edge section that is the same topic as this one let all keep a eye on that.

ALright dumbass........................when and where the **** did I EVER tell someone to put a sullivan on a stock mach?...

PROVE IT!. YOu can't......know how I know......CAUSE I NEVER SAID IT. As you have pointed out, I don't know everything and I have no problem admitting that. My point? I know next to nothing about sullivan specifics so I'm not going to advise on when to use it you dumbass.

You are just like someone else I know.....pointing the finger telling me I've said something, but can never seem to muster of the proof of your claims.

I'll be awaiting your proof that I stated that, but I know you wont' come back with anything as you have me confused with someone else.


If you're going to talk shit on someone, at least get them straigh as to who it is.:read:


EDIT: as for your 'new edge section' comment, if you knew anything you'd know that the spacers dont' do squat to the 99-01 cobra's. You SERIOUSLY need to start doing some research and stop listening to a select few. The Cobra's have different, HCI setup so they dont' benefit....again, it's been proven.

Oh and I LOVE how I called your ass out to prove your claims and all you can say is 'keep an eye on a section that has nothing to do with what we're talking about'.

 

[cobra916]

ALright dumbass........................when and where the **** did I EVER tell someone to put a sullivan on a stock mach?...

PROVE IT!. YOu can't......know how I know......CAUSE I NEVER SAID IT. As you have pointed out, I don't know everything and I have no problem admitting that. My point? I know next to nothing about sullivan specifics so I'm not going to advise on when to use it you dumbass.

You are just like someone else I know.....pointing the finger telling me I've said something, but can never seem to muster of the proof of your claims.

I'll be awaiting your proof that I stated that, but I know you wont' come back with anything as you have me confused with someone else.


If you're going to talk shit on someone, at least get them straigh as to who it is.:read:.

ohhhh looky looky i wonder what douche bag this is ummm :lol:

ponygt65

go to the registry and look up all the N/A setups. You'll get some good info there.


ALSO, if you are going to do Head/Cam work, I HIGHLY suggest you do either a P/P intake or sullivan intake......you will be restriction the potential of htat setup if you don't....IMO.

 

[cobra916]

lay off my nutss son. this aint my first rodeo :rockon: yeeeeehaaaaa
and i already know where your going to run with this .. (in a lil bitch voice) oh this isnt a stock mach) you should know the stock bottomend cant handle a sullivan...f@ck face... im done with you and this thread... oh here is the link to the thread.. just to show 100percent prooof

http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/mach-1-156/549676-advice-cams-heads.html

 

[Roots-type]

i think cobra916 has a crush on someone..

 

[ponygt65]

ohhhh looky looky i wonder what douche bag this is ummm :lol:

ponygt65

go to the registry and look up all the N/A setups. You'll get some good info there.


ALSO, if you are going to do Head/Cam work, I HIGHLY suggest you do either a P/P intake or sullivan intake......you will be restriction the potential of htat setup if you don't....IMO.

NVMD...I'm tired of your clueless ass.

 

[ponygt65]

i think cobra916 has a crush on someone..

He's been laughed at on the registry too. He's about at ignorant as they come.

 

[cobra916]

He's been laughed at on the registry too. He's about at ignorant as they come.

yea i was recommending people with stock short blocks get a sullivan to match it!! lick a dick

 

[cobra916]

i think cobra916 has a crush on someone..

i know you have to stick up for you boyfriend but i'll slap a hoe ..i dont give a shit.. :nonono:

 

[Ben99GT]

come on now mannn.. ive seen you all over the place on ford forums to ls1 forums.. you should know by now dont always buy into this internet bs.. even nazmans stock ported intakes dont make the 15hp and whatever tq either.. never seen a dyno to back that..there was a thread on here not too long ago about a before and after dyno with his intake... the guy was asking where did the power go?? but he did pick up some midrange that he was happy with. i wish all these mods did make crazy power like they claim.. then id put them on my car.

If you only purchase bolt-ons that make "crazy power" individually, then you might as well leave the car stock.

Short of power adders, there aren't any mods that stand alone as huge power makers. Cams can make good power, but even they'll be a big disappointment with stock exhaust logs and no other breathing mods. That doesn't just apply to N/A Mach 1s either, the same could even be said for LS1s.

What you'll one day figure out, is it's the whole combo working together that makes for a decent setup. Is a ported intake (or spacer) worth "crazy power" on a stock car? Nope. But then again, people that claim they are, are missing the point anyway.

 

[ponygt65]

yea i was recommending people with stock short blocks get a sullivan to match it!! lick a dick

Did you know his over all plans?....he merely stated N/A.

If you only purchase bolt-ons that make "crazy power" individually, then you might as well leave the car stock.

Short of power adders, there aren't any mods that stand alone as huge power makers. Cams can make good power, but even they'll be a big disappointment with stock exhaust logs and no other breathing mods. That doesn't just apply to N/A Mach 1s either, the same could even be said for LS1s.

What you'll one day figure out, is it's the whole combo working together that makes for a decent N/A setup. Is a ported intake (or spacer) worth "crazy power" on a stock car? Nope. But then again, people that claim they are, are missing the point anyway.

THank you Ben. Sometimes I forget that I need to spell it out for the common sense impared. :lol::beer:

 

[Roots-type]

i know you have to stick up for you boyfriend but i'll slap a hoe ..i dont give a shit.. :nonono:

i dont even know him

 

[ponygt65]

i dont even know him

Gotta love the maturity ranking on that guy. :shrug:

 

[black347monster]

There would be some times were my car throws white smoke when I'm at a complete stop at the light. It happends sometime not all the time . I checked my coolant and and it looks full . Could it be that my car is running lean or rich?

 

[ponygt65]

There would be some times were my car throws white smoke when I'm at a complete stop at the light. It happends sometime not all the time . I checked my coolant and and it looks full . Could it be that my car is running lean or rich?

Could be a few things. Usually white smoke is noticed in machs on start up. Going to a different oil usually solves that..IDK why but it does. Since you said at an idle....I doubt that's it. I don't think Coolant would have anything to do with it. What oil/weight/filter are you running?

Mods?...

 

[black347monster]

when I bought the car 3 months ago from the ford dealership, 3 weeks after i got the car i started noticing oil spots on the concrete, dont know how long it was leaking before I spotted it, but I jacked up the car and checked where was the oil coming from. It was leaking from the oil filter so I tightend the filter and checked the dip stick and it was a little low on oil, so I added some royal purple 5w-20 on the car, don't know what type and brand of oil the dealership puts but I added the royal purple 5w-20. my mods are SLP Lm1's, Mac O/r H pipe with prochamber and JLT Cai..