Is a '93 cobra trans worth any more than a typical T5?

[19COBRA93]

I'm putting a Tremec in my '93. The original T5 is perfect so I'm going to just sell it before I break it. I have no intention of putting this car back to stock so there's no reason to keep it.

My question is, does this T5 have any more value than that of a typical world class T5? I know the '93 cobra trans was the only fox trans to get the unique "pocket" tapered input bearing. Does this make it worth more? What's the value of my trans? It's flawless with 86K on it, and a Pro 5.0 shifter.

Thoughts?

 

[LEE93COBRA]

no.

As a matter of fact, Ford used the exact same t-5 in the GT's during most of the 93 model year

 

[BelvedereGTX]

no.

As a matter of fact, Ford used the exact same t-5 in the GT's during most of the 93 model year

x2. I know it cost more but tko is the only way to go

 

[cobra1993svt]

What do you want for the trans?

 

[19COBRA93]

x2. I know it cost more but tko is the only way to go

I already bought a 3550. I pushed my last one to mid 10's at 133, and had over 120,000 miles on it. For me, the 3550 has proven it's more than enough trans. I know the TKO is stronger, but I'm sort of on a budget.

 

[carguy19]

I thought the cobra T5 had phosphorous (or phosphor or something) coated gears which made it stronger. Im almost positive of this.

Also I went low 10's for 3 years on a 3550 also, it never broke.

 

[19COBRA93]

no.

As a matter of fact, Ford used the exact same t-5 in the GT's during most of the 93 model year

Actually, that's not correct. The Cobra trans is unique and has several unique parts specific to the cobra only. If at some point in the production year Ford used them in the regular 5.0, my catalog would list a production date split and have both options for the GT. Which isn't the case.

For example: The input shaft, main shaft, and the mainshaft to input shaft bearing (pocket bearing), are all "F3ZZ", and cobra specific parts.

The Cobra trans tag# is: F3ZR-7003-AA, and the regular 5.0 T5 is F2ZR-7003-AA.

They are different, while it may not be a lot different, they are still unique to the cobra.

 

[Kevins89notch]

Do you see yourself having another 5.0 sometime? I just yanked the t5 from my 89 in favor of a TKO 600. I kept the t5 because it was rebuilt just about 5-10K ago, and works perfect. I know I'll have more mustangs to come, so the $250ish I would get out of selling it used itsn't worth it to me.

 

[19COBRA93]

I know I'll have more mustangs to come, so the $250ish I would get out of selling it used itsn't worth it to me.

That's because it's worth more than that.

 

[tunedin302]

I would seriously consider holding onto it just because it's not worth much and someday, if you have another cobra, you may want it ..... not to mention it's probably like money in the bank right now since it is bound to increase some in value.

 

[19COBRA93]

not to mention it's probably like money in the bank right now since it is bound to increase some in value.

Good point. Look at what the big-block toploaders are doing. Not that this is comparable. I do have another 5.0 (all stock), but the T5 in it is just fine.

 

[Kevins89notch]

That's because it's worth more than that.

Its only worth what someone is willing to pay. A friend had me ebay his t5 that had 64K miles on it from the origional owner while the car is 100% stock. I think the final bid was $268 or so. I thought about buying it for myself, but knew I would shortly be buying a tko 600, and would already have my perfectly fine t5 as a backup.

 

[19COBRA93]

Then your add was either less than interesting, or it was just a bad time of the week:

These are all completed auctions and were sold.

Total with shipping was $570 out of a '90.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/FORD...tegoryZ33733QQihZ019QQitemZ290057370649QQrdZ1

Total $500, non world class from an '87.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/T5-T...tegoryZ33733QQihZ019QQitemZ290060431296QQrdZ1

Total $515, freshened up non world class from an '88.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/87-9...tegoryZ33733QQihZ007QQitemZ170053288694QQrdZ1

Total $505 non world class from a wrecked '90.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1990...tegoryZ33733QQihZ003QQitemZ130052354633QQrdZ1

Total $485 non world class from an '88.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/T5-T...tegoryZ33733QQihZ013QQitemZ230060171972QQrdZ1

There were a few in the mid to low $400's with shipping. Anyway, maybe not around your neck of the woods, but around here you'd be hard pressed to find a good world class T5 for less than $400-500. Non world class, and 4 cyl T5's are cheaper sure, but you get what you pay for.

If still think your trans is only worth $250, I'll pay you tonight, and Ebay it for ya.

 

[Kevins89notch]

Damn, looks like my friend got screwed :lol: Oh well, I told him if I were him I would hang on to it.

 

[LEE93COBRA]

Actually, that's not correct. The Cobra trans is unique and has several unique parts specific to the cobra only. If at some point in the production year Ford used them in the regular 5.0, my catalog would list a production date split and have both options for the GT. Which isn't the case.

For example: The input shaft, main shaft, and the mainshaft to input shaft bearing (pocket bearing), are all "F3ZZ", and cobra specific parts.

The Cobra trans tag# is: F3ZR-7003-AA, and the regular 5.0 T5 is F2ZR-7003-AA.

They are different, while it may not be a lot different, they are still unique to the cobra.

I know the differences in the 2 tranny's. (We build them). I remember reaading somewhere that Ford incorporated the tranny around midyear into the GT's. I am also pretty sure that the same tranny was used in the 94-95 cars too.

FWIW, all z spec t-5's have the same pocket bearings setups as the cobras.

As far as pricing is concerned, $250 is a good buy on a used but good conditon t-5. Problem with buying used ones is that you don't know if you are getting good ones or not. On one that is not a fresh rebuild I think we average spending $125 or so. Then we build them. One with a fresh rebuild should go for about $500-$600. Rebuilding can go higher. Last one we built for a customer cost $710 including labor and parts.

 

[19COBRA93]

The '94-95 Cobra T5's were similar, but they had the longer input shaft, and again were a unique to the cobra only because of the tapered pocket bearing.

I still feel that they never incorperated the cobra trans into GT production (do you have any literature suggesting they did?). If they did, I'd have some sort of catalog listing or information about it.

 

[LEE93COBRA]

The '94-95 Cobra T5's were similar, but they had the longer input shaft, and again were a unique to the cobra only because of the tapered pocket bearing.

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:dw: I thought the sn95's had the shorter input shaft

anyways, yeah I will look up the tranny parts again

quick search on D&D's site

The Tremec design T5 5 speed transmission has been around since the early 80's. "World Class" models were introduced in 1985. These transmissions feature tapered roller bearings on the cluster, caged needle bearings under the 1st, 2nd and 3rd speed gears on the mainshaft, double synchronizers on 1st and 2nd and steel blocker rings with bonded friction materials. Ford adopted this configuration for 1985 and up production T5's. Similarly, all Ford aftermarket T5 applications have been "World Class" since 1985. As the demands on this transmission were increased, gear materials were upgraded (8620 to 4620 to4615) and blocker ring lining materials went from paper to carbon fibre. In 1993 the pocket bearing between the input and mainshaft was changed from a needle bearing to a tapered roller bearing. This was only used in production on the '93-95 Mustang Cobra T5's but was adopted on many high performance aftermarket T5 applications including the AA251 shown below. The T5 design and manufacturing rights were purchased by Tremec in 1996 and is still being produced in Mexico. Check out our Specials section for surplus 3.35 T5's that we frequently come across.

So yeah based off their site I was incorrect

 

[19COBRA93]

The '94-up T5 had the longer input and deeper bellhousing. Also, any year V6 T5 is the same (dimensionally) as the '94-95 V8 T5 and even has the correct pilot bearing size on the input shaft.

 

[5liter]

same tranny except for the phosphate coated gears.

 

[03BlownSnake]

I just sold mine for $200,, lol
It was just taking up space in my garage. my new yfz450 needed the extra room