chuckstang said:the SS may get the LS7 with 505 hp but at 4000 plus pounds it will have no advantage over the gt500 especially once the modding beginsepper:
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R1Lello said:
LR01 Cobra, are you tied to their payroll?? if so, is your paystub at least 3 years too late like most of GM's products????
HHR vs. PT Cruiser (too late, market grabbed by Chrysler and now weak)
Camaro vs. Mustang(too late, 05 + Mustang has the market and aftermarket)
Lightning vs. SS Silverado (yeah right, not even close)
etc.......
If you are right, and I doubt it, the blower motor will respond and deliver much more for less $$ than the n/a motor and the aftermarket is all Mustang right now........been to 2005 SEMA ???
who says the top camaro in 2010 will have a n/a motor? the ss corvette getting a blown motor, why not the 2010 camaro ss? and just look at the corvette. gm knows how to take weight off of thier top performances cars. not saying any of this stuff will happen, just saying dont be surprised if gm throws a few curveballs in thier recreation of a 60's icon.
Why do you think the Camaro will be 4,000 lbs? Have you possibly noticed the LS7 weighs about 300LBS LESS than the DOHC GT500 Motor!
I'm still a Ford guy... but denying that GM has the best Powertrain available is nonsense... there isn't a better 'pkg' out there for Engine HP & Weight.
Either way... Ford is in the Spotlight now.. and GM & Dodge have a lot of catching up to do...
My hopes... that Ford uses the Aluminum block at some point! (pretty please)
Dave
I'm still a Ford guy... but denying that GM has the best Powertrain available is nonsense... there isn't a better 'pkg' out there for Engine HP & Weight.
Either way... Ford is in the Spotlight now.. and GM & Dodge have a lot of catching up to do...
My hopes... that Ford uses the Aluminum block at some point! (pretty please)
Dave
LR 01 Cobra said:
Curiosity: Isn't the Mustang due a major change in 2009/2010? I doubt the GT500 then (probably have a different name at that point) will be the same one we will see in a month. And "kill the Mustang"? What's your definition of "kill"?? .3 seconds faster? .4 seconds faster? .5 in the 1/4 mile? No one knows right now what the GT500 runs in the 1/4, but I'd personally like to think low 12's bone stock. So "killing it" by the Camaro would have to be high 11's off the showroom floor. Possible? By then yes. What will a new "Cobra/GT 500/Shelby" run in 2010? Who knows.What I SURE of, is that the 2009/2010 top of the line Mustang (Cobra/GT 500/Shelby or whatever it's call then)WILL be a better car than what we will see in a month. So yea, the new Camaro may "kill" the 2006/2007 Shelby GT500. When it reaches the showrooms at GM dealerships, I highly doubt it will "kill" the highest performance Mustang that Ford produces in the same model year. So great, your Camaro can handle a 3 year old car. Not impressed.
pacotaco
PS. Doesn't it suck to have to wait till 2010 for the new Camaro? Not poking fun at you. I'd like to see one a hell of a lot sooner. Just sucks it's sooo far away. It's almost ridiculous to speak of it now when it's still 3 years away. Or maybe that's just me.
You'll see! I'm saying no more!
Tim
Tim
IMO,If the camaro doesn't come out with a s/c with lower compression blower pistons,...I don't see it beating the shelby at all! It might be alittle lighter but that's about all it will have on the shelby(at least this years).And you don't really know what the stang will be,by the time the camaro does eventually come out,...the stang could be alot lighter and sleeker looking itself by then! There is soo much more to be had with a lower compression s/c (or turbos) engine,than a higher compression non s/c engine,especially in the modding world!
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I have no doubts the Camaro will perform well,
but don't think that Ford will rest on it's laurels either.
I could care less if anything GM comes out with has the higher horsepower number,
it's proven it won't sell cars if they suck.
There's more to this business than being the biggest/most powerful engine. We know the new Camaro chassis, isn't going to be a lightweight by any means, nor is the Challenger...and that plays a huge roll. The Challenger at least knows where it stands (low volume awsome car) the Camaro has to come back into a game where it got slaughtered in the sales category regardless of how fast they were.
And if it fails this time, it ain't coming back again.
So I'm more worried about the execution, in that they won't slit their throats again.
And it's no secret on what engines GM will be working on for that time frame,
so the Camaro could have the LS7 considering the new super vette will have the S/C 6.2. 505hp vs 600(est)
And we know the Ford GT/GT500 engine can compete... but we still have no final numbers and facts on the Hurricane (which we know is built for the trucks and the mustang...and yes..it will go in the mustang... you can bet on it)
but don't think that Ford will rest on it's laurels either.
I could care less if anything GM comes out with has the higher horsepower number,
it's proven it won't sell cars if they suck.
There's more to this business than being the biggest/most powerful engine. We know the new Camaro chassis, isn't going to be a lightweight by any means, nor is the Challenger...and that plays a huge roll. The Challenger at least knows where it stands (low volume awsome car) the Camaro has to come back into a game where it got slaughtered in the sales category regardless of how fast they were.
And if it fails this time, it ain't coming back again.
So I'm more worried about the execution, in that they won't slit their throats again.
And it's no secret on what engines GM will be working on for that time frame,
so the Camaro could have the LS7 considering the new super vette will have the S/C 6.2. 505hp vs 600(est)
And we know the Ford GT/GT500 engine can compete... but we still have no final numbers and facts on the Hurricane (which we know is built for the trucks and the mustang...and yes..it will go in the mustang... you can bet on it)
LR 01 Cobra said:
this is what he said. meaning the top of the line new camaro of 2009 or 2010 will be a better performer than the current 2007 shelby.
and really it will not be that hard for gm to do. with the blue devil(the 650hp blown corvette) on its way, gm will once again raise the bar, and will have plenty of room for an awesome performing camaro to fit right in the middle of thier sports car lineup. :beer:
It mat spank the base Gt500 but what about the kr version? Is that one even coming out? And when?
^^^ speaks the truth. i think we can see who all the ford fanboys are here. really, do you guys think that GM will let a 2007 car beat their 2010 car?!?!?! ignorantON D BIT said:
oke:It'll come down to how much they weigh and how far you can mod them. The Buick GN, MKIV Supras and Terminators are respected because of the common potential; not the off-the-shelf performance, and at close to 4,000 pounds the GT500 will have to *earn* its strips just the same.
Regardless, it's a wasted discussion topic. The true value of the GT500 is still unknown and will be for a couple months until people start blowing them up and we know where the true line lies, and details of the Camaro are speculation at this point. Given the sales of the Mustang, I think GM would be insane not to produce a challanging platform; and so much the better- it'll give for some incentive to make better decisions going forward and hopefully reign in the dealer markup madness. Competition is a good thing
Regardless, it's a wasted discussion topic. The true value of the GT500 is still unknown and will be for a couple months until people start blowing them up and we know where the true line lies, and details of the Camaro are speculation at this point. Given the sales of the Mustang, I think GM would be insane not to produce a challanging platform; and so much the better- it'll give for some incentive to make better decisions going forward and hopefully reign in the dealer markup madness. Competition is a good thing
Weight Reduction Pack...
When does the weight reduction pack come out? Something to put it in the 3400lb range where it belongs
Dave Schotz said:
When does the weight reduction pack come out? Something to put it in the 3400lb range where it belongs
No wonder my 03 motor is so strong...
It was built by the same two guys on the label on page 50!!!!
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Evan
03 Cobra Motor Built by
Bob Hubbard and Bob Mcintyre
It was built by the same two guys on the label on page 50!!!!
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Evan
03 Cobra Motor Built by
Bob Hubbard and Bob Mcintyre
ON D BIT said:
oke: At $100,000+ Canadian or the Viper at $130,000 + , they better be lighter. Give me a breakGeez, why don't we wait until 2015 for the super SSSSSS, no!!, enjoy life now.
Dave Schotz said:Why do you think the Camaro will be 4,000 lbs? Have you possibly noticed the LS7 weighs about 300LBS LESS than the DOHC GT500 Motor!
Dave, I posted about something I read in Motor Trend recently. It mentioned the new Holden sedan which is underpinned by the chassis expected to be used in the Camaro weighs 4000lbs. So, it is possible that the new car's weight could approach that, depending on what they are able to change and the size of the car.
It's speculation, of course.
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