just wondering how you other mach 1 owners out there fair against the "almighty ls1"? since joining all these car websites, all i hear is how fast the ls1 is, and this and that. since i purchased my 03 mach 1 june of last year (2004) i've only raced 3 or 4 f-bodys, 1 being an auto. the others m6. 2 had exhaust i know. the only mod on my car is o/r h pipe. have not lost yet. in fact only one was actually even worth while. most people say ( oh they must have been a terrible driver, or some kinda excuse) give me a break. so how do you all do against them????
Mach 1 vs the LS1
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Ive never been beat by a N/A Fbody that I can think of, Im sure they are some out there but none near here lol.
Well, my near stock Lightning gets slowly pulled on, by my girls WS.6 M6, and its only got a lid, K&N drop in, and catback if that helps.
I can pull a bit on my buddies 00 ss with lid and catback as long as we go from a stop or slow roll. Ive also takin a c5 from a dig up to about 70. After that tho i see tail lights.
03ZincRcode said:
Stock-for-stock, it should be a driver's race.
When the modding starts, all bets are off though.
LS1's have some nice bolt-ons available to them - heads/cams/long-tube headers/higher stall converter - that can really make them fly.
Mach's are no slouches either though if they're modded with the right parts - there are loads of low 12-second Mach's & a growing number of (no-power-adder) 11-second Mach' s too.
I haven't lost against very many at the track, either when I was stock or modded...
its a drivers race against a '01+ LS1 f-body.
Mach's now have Heads and cam packages available. FR500 Cams and port the stock heads, or go to FR500 heads. I am going to do the FR500 cams and port the stock heads and I would never lose even at this point to an LS1. I tangled with an LS-2 Vette already and had 2 "stoplight to stoplight" wins to 110mph. He rolled down his window after the 2nd win and asked " What kind've blower do you have?" I laughed and said "No blower". We pulled over and I showed him. He was astonished....Of course he didn't see the longtubes! :smmon:Angus said:
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Go drive a couple. They run.03ZincRcode said:
AkronCobra said:
Obviously not as good as the Mach's do.
Here we go again....just kiddin'. I made a similar post in the kill section and got flamed.
Stock vs. stock, IMO the 01-02 LS1's are faster, not out of the whole, but on the top end they will beat a Mach 1. 98-00 models are pretty even with a slight edge going to the Mach. 01-02 LS1's typically make 315-325 to the rear wheels which is more than the Mach makes to the engine. LS1's also make more torque. These are facts, not a bias opinion. Now when the modding begins, all bets are off.
Stock vs. stock, IMO the 01-02 LS1's are faster, not out of the whole, but on the top end they will beat a Mach 1. 98-00 models are pretty even with a slight edge going to the Mach. 01-02 LS1's typically make 315-325 to the rear wheels which is more than the Mach makes to the engine. LS1's also make more torque. These are facts, not a bias opinion. Now when the modding begins, all bets are off.
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I have done quite well against LS1 cars.
I think even stripper will acknowledge that LS1 cars vary greatly on power.
Heads or cam and the LS1 will run really strong.
Long tubes on the Mach seems to really help where they don't do as much on the LS1 cars I have seen.
I think even stripper will acknowledge that LS1 cars vary greatly on power.
Heads or cam and the LS1 will run really strong.
Long tubes on the Mach seems to really help where they don't do as much on the LS1 cars I have seen.
Keith.red.mach1 said:
I will admit LS1's vary on power......most are already powerful from the factory and then there are the freaks like mine. :-D
fyi ls1's make around 290 or so wheel hp from the factory. 00-01 ss's are about 325 flywheel but 02's were 345 flywheel.. same with ws6's. 00-01's were about 325 flywheel hp and 02 firehawks were 345 flywheel. but ofcourse the bigger motor is gonna pull once you get to higher speeds. they are ls1's. thats what they do best.lol. but mustangs have always been " quicker cars" no nec faster, but quicker.
SONICSNAKE03 said:
Exactly...290rwhp or so... 315rwhp(stock), my arse!!! :bs:
2001stripper said:
12.43? My MAch with the same mods as yours went [email protected] MPH with a 1.88 60ft. With my 6 disc cd changer, PW, PL etc....
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you ALWAYS hear about these 13.0 bone stock LS1s, but you never see them at the track...
i've seen very few in the high 12s that were n/a. it seems everyone and their daddy straps a bottle to them.
as to the guy claiming there are heads and cams available to the machs... wake up dude. a 2500 dollar cam swap isn't what i'd call "available"... 1500 cams, 700 springs, and whatever else you want/need... i'm never gonna understand why 1 cam with 16 lobes for a pushrod costs 100 bucks while 4 cams with 8 lobes each cost 1500 bucks... damn highway robbery :cuss:
i've seen very few in the high 12s that were n/a. it seems everyone and their daddy straps a bottle to them.
as to the guy claiming there are heads and cams available to the machs... wake up dude. a 2500 dollar cam swap isn't what i'd call "available"... 1500 cams, 700 springs, and whatever else you want/need... i'm never gonna understand why 1 cam with 16 lobes for a pushrod costs 100 bucks while 4 cams with 8 lobes each cost 1500 bucks... damn highway robbery :cuss:
Muscle Mustangs & Fast Fords dynoed a 2002 anniversary ss 6 speed. Results were 316.7 rwhp and 340.9 torque 100% stock. They pulled the air filter and gained another 11.2hp and 6.3 pounds of torque. The heavily optioned ss curb weight was only 3411 pounds. August 2002 issue page 51 and 52. Ok mach 1 heroes tell me how the mach 1 is quicker and faster. Read the test to see how it ran.MACHSELF said:
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Fosters said:
AkronCobra said:
For the Mach guys that said 290rwhp for the LS1's, where are you now????
Your own Ford mag dynoed an '02 LS1 @ 316.7 rwhp and 340.9 rwtq. It weighs 3411 lbs, which is about the same as the Mach. So just speaking from a scientific point of view, wouldn't Car A that makes ~35 more rwhp and a ton more torque be faster than Car B that weighs about the same but makes ~35 less rwhp and a lot less torque. Physics is such an exact science.
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