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5.8l N/A said to be an option for the S550 platform line up. FORD earlier this year. FORD is also hinting around with doing a special edition mustang with the 6.2l engine.
I would expect a DI 5.4, coyote/roadrunner to be around 530 or so.
Start with the 444 hp boss engine
35 hp increase for displacement
38 hp for the compression increase that direct inject can gain (13:1 or so)
12 to 15 hp for the added rpm and tuning that direct injection can gain you.
I think 600 hp N/A out of 5.4 liters is a bit of a stretch.
Ferrari does 700 N/A out of a 4.5 v8 with a tune and exhaust on 91 octane (458 Italia). 600 is certainly not a stretch by anyone's imagination. That number has been cleared by a solid 100 already -- at an insanely expensive price ($360k after your $15k exhaust and tune).
It's possible. But Ford won't put out a flat crank V8 anyway (they won't sell something that goes away from their classic sound). Besides, they're not going to deliver that kind of power from a GT350 anyway. If they do put something out, expect it to be similar power to a Boss, similar displacement, perhaps up a bit on overall power depending on what they do with the GT500.
1) At the end of the day -- the Mustang has a very iconic sound. They're not going to steer from that unless it's an extremely low production model like the Cobra R.
2) CAFE standards are getting stricter. They're going to be doing more power with less displacement (likely not a 6.2).
3) They will not try to eat into GT500 sales by putting power numbers close to it.
I could still seeing them use a 5.4 or 5.8 N/A -- but I don't think we'll see anything higher than that. And certainly not flat crank. Though... that would be pretty hot.
lolnot even happening. The current 5.0 will be the same engine that is going into the s550 platform. No changes in hp or tq. The current 5.0 is pretty much maxxed out for n/a reliability.
The 6.2l will always make more power than what a 5.8l or a 5.0l could ever do and that is even at rpm ranges below 7000rpm.
The 5.4l has 2 years left of production. A n/a 5.8l will take its place in the new f150 and expedition.
However ford will release the 5.8l in the mach1 and svt cobra.
I don't know why there is rumors of ford going to flat crank when ford has never even mentioned that idea about their v8 engines.
Im friends with a machinist that is cousins with a ford executive who is also a share holder of fomoco, no 5.0l changes are coming.
not even happening. the current 5.0 will be the same engine that is going into the S550 platform. no changes in HP or TQ. the current 5.0 is pretty much maxxed out for N/A reliability.It's possible. But Ford won't put out a flat crank V8 anyway (they won't sell something that goes away from their classic sound). Besides, they're not going to deliver that kind of power from a GT350 anyway. If they do put something out, expect it to be similar power to a Boss, similar displacement, perhaps up a bit on overall power depending on what they do with the GT500.
1) At the end of the day -- the Mustang has a very iconic sound. They're not going to steer from that unless it's an extremely low production model like the Cobra R.
2) CAFE standards are getting stricter. They're going to be doing more power with less displacement (likely not a 6.2).
3) They will not try to eat into GT500 sales by putting power numbers close to it.
I could still seeing them use a 5.4 or 5.8 N/A -- but I don't think we'll see anything higher than that. And certainly not flat crank. Though... that would be pretty hot.
I'm still think it's gonna be the TT 5.0 from the Cobra Jet Prototype at around 550 crank. With a tune + exhaust and the new weight of the car it will be a monster. Why else would Ford spend the money on testing it?
although I agree with you about everything else. the 458 does not put down nowhere near 700 hp naturally aspirated more like 620-630 at the crank(still impressive from a 4.5 though). They usually gain 60-70 rwhp with headers, full exhaust, cat deletes, ecu tuning and airbox modifications. Most dyno between 450-470 stock and between 510-530 rwhp with the above mods.
Boss 302's are getting 550+ crank hp out of 5.0 liters. Yes that's with aftermarket parts but still that's 110 hp/liter. An extra 400cc with larger heads and cams to feed it the extra displacement that's knocking on 600 right there. With direct injection and the higher compression/timing you can run can probably more then make up for what the aftermarket has done to achieve that power level with todays roadrunners.
What makes you say this? I believe Ford said it would have performance gains(dont quote me on this), and there already castings in the block for direct injection which would probably be accompanied by an increase in compression or more aggressive cam timing. There is so much going around, im taking everything with a grain of salt. Just have to wait and see :shrug:
My neighbor who has an unlce who has a room mate whos brother said that....