Should we shoot down the Korean Missle?

[BLUE OVAL NUT]

No offense but Hurricanes in Florida, Mississippi, Alabama, Texas, etc and even 9/11 was even not all that big of a mess up. New Orleans and the leaders of LA in general were the only F ups. Those people brought it upon themselves to be total wastes of oxygen and be as uncooperative as possible to help there fat lazy worthless asses. :cuss:

Question for Navy guys, the sm-2 missile on Aegies Destroyers and Cruisers, are they capable of knocking out ICBM's and are they the first line of defense.

:uh oh: If we can't handle the small scales how you going to handle the large ????!!!! :shrug:

 

[UCBeau]

i think they are now using SM-3's..and yea they're supposedly the 1st line of defense over water, the PAC-3 is the land based ABM weapon currently deployed in South Korea

 

[DaleM]

Might make for an interesting test of some new weapons systems!

 

[dtheo]

We are in no position to dictate to North Korea how and when they should build their weapons. Every country has a right to defend themselves against foreign invaders. Until all other superpowers completely remove their nukes, it's going to be a hard sell to any dictator, president, chancellor, or government.

We didn't blink an eye when India and Pakistan did the same thing, and they're at war with each other.

I'd have to disagree a little bit on your first comment on how we are in no position to tell countries what to do with missle defense. From what history has taught us, IF Hitler had the atom bomb, which he was trying to build, he would have used it and this world would have been a much different landscape than it is now. When a volitile leader gets a hold of weapons that can be transported by missile to any part of the world, it is not a good thing. The purpose of the of us not letting him do this (North K.) is so that when he does get trigger happy, he won't be able to take a shot at the USA. Remember this everyone, all it takes is one, one nuclear bomb or any bomb with significant power launched for whatever reason to possibly end this world and start WWIII. Imagine what the stock market would do if just one went off in another part of the world, it would send a trigger effect of international outcry. All of us would be sleeping in our basements. North Korea is up against a wall right now, basically only survives from international aide and desperate people do desperate things, him launching an armed missile is not out of the question. The more nukes out there, the worse it is for all of us.

 

[Antagon]

IF N. Korea attacks us, successful or not, i am NOT saying we shouldn't attack and defend ourselves. But how many of our troops are currently in Iraq, its not like we can just drop what we are doing and hop over to N. Korea.

-Mike

We already did that with Afghanistan, so I don't see whats stopping us from doing it again.

With the retards running these countries (ours included) I couldn't care less about world events, because nothing good even happens.

 

[05 Roush]

I'd have to disagree a little bit on your first comment on how we are in no position to tell countries what to do with missle defense. From what history has taught us, IF Hitler had the atom bomb, which he was trying to build, he would have used it and this world would have been a much different landscape than it is now. When a volitile leader gets a hold of weapons that can be transported by missile to any part of the world, it is not a good thing. The purpose of the of us not letting him do this (North K.) is so that when he does get trigger happy, he won't be able to take a shot at the USA. Remember this everyone, all it takes is one, one nuclear bomb or any bomb with significant power launched for whatever reason to possibly end this world and start WWIII. Imagine what the stock market would do if just one went off in another part of the world, it would send a trigger effect of international outcry. All of us would be sleeping in our basements. North Korea is up against a wall right now, basically only survives from international aide and desperate people do desperate things, him launching an armed missile is not out of the question. The more nukes out there, the worse it is for all of us.

I completely understand where you are coming from. However, there's one tiny little detail about this entire issue at hand. They already have nukes.

All they're doing now is making them for themselves. If we were so concerned about this and they were the threat we're making them out to be, we should have invaded 30 years ago and ended it right there and then.

Ohhhh, that's right, there's a tiny little country to the north that'll put an end to that real quick.

 

[Badasp5.0]

Let me rephase so that I can make things a little more clear. WE have nukes for "self defense". WE invade other countries regardless of the intent. WE attack. And WE have been doing so since the Korean "conflict".

I see a large flaw in your logic that North Korea would ever use large yield nukes against South Korea. Perhaps a nice map will put things into a perspective:

Let me add some more information, the reason for the separation in the first place and why they've been at war:


The Korean War
Kim did not accept the division of Korea into two states. The consolidation of Syngman Rhee's government in the South and the suppression of the October 1948 insurrection there ended hopes that the country could be reunified by way of revolution in the South, and from early 1949 Kim sought Soviet and Chinese support for a military campaign to reunify it by force. The almost total withdrawal of U.S. forces from South Korea in June 1949 left the South defended only by a weak and inexperienced Republic of Korea army. The DPRK army, by contrast, had been the beneficiary of massive expenditure and of Soviet tutelage, as well as having a core of hardened veterans who had fought as anti-Japanese guerillas or with the Chinese Communists.

As you can clearly see, it would make absolutely no sense to unify a country that's been demolished by nuclear weapons.

Thanks for the map and info I am well aware of the history of korea and the conflict, my comments about peace loving north korea was in jest, I didnt make my point very clear, the north has nukes so the US can have 2nd thoughts on defending the south in another korean war..so its not so much self defense but part of a over plan to reunite the south by force if need be....but DaleM is right Comm/SOcialist nations alwas lose..but the world is a bit more dangerous now that NK has nukes.

:beer: On everyone for a geat name calling less debate.!!!

 

[dtheo]

05 Roush, yea ,its a tough call, if its not N. Korea, its Iran. Then when Iran is good, there will always be another country that we have to whoop up on. I just hope we don't see any nukes in my lifetime, but I really think it will happen, maybe not WWIII, but a small skurmish.

Dave

 

[05 Roush]

05 Roush, yea ,its a tough call, if its not N. Korea, its Iran. Then when Iran is good, there will always be another country that we have to whoop up on. I just hope we don't see any nukes in my lifetime, but I really think it will happen, maybe not WWIII, but a small skurmish.

Dave

The terrorist threat is real.

I think this is big peter syndrome right here. If we really want to bury N. Korea like we did USSR, all we have to do is point all our nukes to N. Korea and say, "Hey, we have more over here." Or better yet, park a few hundred warheads along the 38th P. with a giant billboard that says "You're screwed."

They're probably that stupid they'd actually fall for it and start building their way into bankruptcy.

 

[PSI87]

Did I miss something here? I heard that N.K. will be testing a long range missile, I never heard them say anything about targeting the USA or that missle being atomic.

 

[CobraRed01]

Here's what we should do. The U.S has a new airborne laser that is designed to shoot down missiles in the launch phase. Sucker flies in a converted 747, I think, and it could fly over the DMZ during launch. Let the the Korean's fire their piss-ant missile and instead of out-right shooting it down we should laser-etch the message "Go Ahead Make My Day!!!" on it. Of course, no ones going to read it after the missile finds it's target... but we can certainly show them that we can "paint" the their new toys any-day-of-the-week. That message they will get!! :rockon:
What message do you think we should burn in?

On a more sobering note....we survived nuclear annilation to-date only because of the threat of M.A.D. Without it the asymmetrical threat posed by small groups with nukes and terrorist intents makes for a seriously de-stablized WMD problem. Who do we hit when "someone" who we can't target hits us? NK, with its new missile, is more like the old problem...we CAN target them and should make sure they KNOW we have them in our sights. Only way out of the "asymm threat" problem might be to put ALL terrorist states on notice....any nuke going off State-side brings destruction on them ALL...period. This brings M.A.D. back into the equation. Maybe they will clean up their own act. Of course, this type of policy would be totally immoral...and one I would have a hard time supporting...so we better be REAL GOOD at stopping nuclear proliferation.

Cheers.... :beer: ...I think.

 

[urwtdrm]

Either way, we could be f'd if we do, f'd if we don't. Pretty sh1;ty situation

 

[TJSwoboda]

I haven't read the whole thread yet, but if we do anything to North Korea, we need to be willing to start dropping neutron bombs on the DMZ ten minutes later if their million man army is moving across it. If Bush has the resolve to do that, great, but if not we better not go half steppin'.

--T.J., who can't believe he just used that phrase... Oh well.

 

[Mike K]

I haven't read the whole thread yet, but if we do anything to North Korea, we need to be willing to start dropping neutron bombs on the DMZ ten minutes later if their million man army is moving across it. If Bush has the resolve to do that, great, but if not we better not go half steppin'.

--T.J., who can't believe he just used that phrase... Oh well.

I agree!! I think a lot of people are underestimating the size and/or capability of N. Korea.

 

[CobraRed01]

Oh, it's a problem alright. M.A.D only works...ironically enough...if you're dealing with a sane opponent. Not the case with N.K. I'm afraid. And S.K.'s is in the balance.

 

[ford_racer]

Did I miss something here? I heard that N.K. will be testing a long range missile, I never heard them say anything about targeting the USA or that missle being atomic.

They are testing a missle that has the capability of hitting America. The problem is, who else does N.K. not like that is that far away? At least that's what I understand the whole situation to be.

 

[GH1086]

I didn't read all the posts but from the first page it seems as if people don't really understand the situation, they're just testing the missile, there is no warhead on it, they won't be able to do that for a couple more years.

Anyway, I believe we shouldn't even let them launch the missile, the knowledge they would gain from simply launching it would be enormous, we can't let that happen and continue on letting them do whatever they please and snub their nose at the rest of the world, a message needs to be sent and that message is a nice cruise missile down their throats.

 

[zerocool]

I'm not gonna lie to you. The one country in the world that I fear as being the superpower to overthrow us is China. They have the manpower to do it now. And in a few years will more than likely be technologically more advanced than us. We need to tread lightly when it comes to anything that could piss them off.

 

[black01mustang]

I vote send over a stealth bomber destroy the missle and claim ignorance

 

[05 Roush]

I vote send over a stealth bomber destroy the missle and claim ignorance

What a great way to start WWIII.