You should get a 18 GTPremi and throw a whipple or twins on it. A10.
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Im leaning in that direction actually.
How much in suspension mods or upgrades will an 18GT prem need to hang w a 14 gt 500 in the curves?
Or how about this...how to get more low end torque from the GT350?
How much in suspension mods or upgrades will an 18GT prem need to hang w a 14 gt 500 in the curves?
Or how about this...how to get more low end torque from the GT350?
There was a whippled GT350 on here for sale recently. Want to say the price was around 50k but can't remember.
A different cam profile and tune would get more low end torque out of the GT350, but you'd run the risk of losing either the high RPM or the streetability or both. It would probably have to be a pretty aggressive cam change.
Concerning '18 GT vs '14 GT500 handling, it's said that the S550 is miles better than the S197. That said, the '15 Mustang GT ran a 3:05 around VIR. The '13 GT500 ran 3:00. The '18 GT PP2 ran a 2:53. An '11 thru '14 GT500 with a properly modded suspension (and tires) can probably do quicker than a 2:53. Even if you're not trying to run time trials, the GT500 can still be made to handle extremely well on the street.
Great post GTPremi...Heres my crunch tho:
To my eyes, I think the gt350 looks best.....probly the best looking stang ever to come out of Detroit.
The 2018 s550 is also a sharp looking whip. I like the tail section sooo much better that the last gen. And it seems I can mod it easily for approx. 725 rwhp, which is high enuff for me.
The 11-12 and 13-14 GT 500s are sweet also but "dated" looking-at least to my eyes. And tbh Id rather not mod one for the sake of resale value. But 600 ish hp aint too shabby either.
I'm looking for a reliable, turn key, nice handling stang that will pull real hard when I press on the fun pedal. If I mod it (or have it modded really) I wont push the envelope cause I cant afford to explode an expensive engine....
I don't need a stang to beat every spoiled rich 20 something that pulls up next to me...
Just a fun car to enjoy for a few years, without losing a boatload of $$$ when it comes time for another....
To my eyes, I think the gt350 looks best.....probly the best looking stang ever to come out of Detroit.
The 2018 s550 is also a sharp looking whip. I like the tail section sooo much better that the last gen. And it seems I can mod it easily for approx. 725 rwhp, which is high enuff for me.
The 11-12 and 13-14 GT 500s are sweet also but "dated" looking-at least to my eyes. And tbh Id rather not mod one for the sake of resale value. But 600 ish hp aint too shabby either.
I'm looking for a reliable, turn key, nice handling stang that will pull real hard when I press on the fun pedal. If I mod it (or have it modded really) I wont push the envelope cause I cant afford to explode an expensive engine....
I don't need a stang to beat every spoiled rich 20 something that pulls up next to me...
Just a fun car to enjoy for a few years, without losing a boatload of $$$ when it comes time for another....
That basically eliminates the GT, then. Mustang GTs lose value like crazy. Your only option in the Mustang world is to get a Shelby, if resale value is a real concern. Also, a 725WHP GT is not going to be anywhere near the longevity of a 725WHP GT500. The former was not built for boost. The latter was. And before the naysayers go crazy, YES, the Coyote apparently responds well to boost (what high compression engine doesn't??). But can it live to 100K+ miles with it like the GT500? Probably not. There are boatloads of busted and rebuilt Coyotes out there because owners got greedy for boost.
I am not a fan of boosting factory NA cars, to be honest not sure what the point is. Everyone I have seen who boosts a factory car, can never sell if for what they have into it, then end up parting it out after a while. In my opinion, the new 2018 GT's with the 10 speed is a total bargain. With minor bolt on's they will do 11's all day long.. and are very easy to live with. 2011-2012 GT500's struggle getting into the 11's and they are boosted. Just my .02.
You can't be serious. Show me a modded '11/'12 GT500 that "struggles" to get into the 11s, and I'll show you one of the worlds worst drivers. LOL
Yes I am serious, the 10 speed auto makes a good driver out of everyone.. and the advancements in traction control along with that auto trans makes the 2018's much easier to hit 11's..
True
725? No. False. A 15+ Coyote will live forever at 725. 925? Different conversation.
Rods in the 15+ Coyote are stronger than any 07-14 GT500 rod. Pistons are weaker, however.
100% truth. My e85 Tune only 2018 GT went 11.6@122 in 3500 ft DA 85* weather.
Same track, my 07 GT500 with ~525whp (pulley, CAI, tune) went 12.2@118 nailing every gear perfectly on a drag radial.
See above.
That's an '07, which I could believe with all that weight on the nose and 3.31 rear end. He's saying the '11/'12 struggles to get into the 11s, which I disagree with. He said a modded GT can get into 11s all day long. I assume he also means a modded '11/'12 struggles. If he's meaning modded GT versus stock '11/'12, the whole argument is moot.
On another note, a member posted in the GT500 board that he hit just 8s in his '07-'09. I believe Lethal Performance put an '11/'12 still with the manual transmission into the 8s. A10 GTs don't have the market cornered on running quick 1/4 mile runs.
A bolt on 2018 can hit 11's all day.. 2011-2012 GT500 takes a good driver to hit mid to low 11's repeatedly. .. Now mod a GT500 put slicks on it, etc.. I have a 2011 GT500 and I love the car.. but for the money, if you want a fun car with all the modern conveniences that can hit 11's reliably.. new mustang is a great bargain. It's more about the transmission and how the 2018 cars can put the power to the ground.. takes more HP out of a GT500 then it does a 2018 GT with the 10speed.
Nah, you trying fast talk. Let's clear this up right quick. Are you comparing a Bolt on A10 2018 GT to a Stock 11/12 GT500?
Fast Talk? Not sure what that means, but sure.. sounds good.. I think I was pretty clear, not sure what the issue is here. I am simply stating the 2018 mustang GT with the 10 speed is a great car for the money, and with bolt on's can easily hit 11's.. That's with no forced induction.. However a 2011 GT500 is tough to easily get into the 11's reliably.. unless you mod it properly.. easy.. make sense now?
No, but you got it. I have no dog in this fight.
Sooo... Yeah. You're comparing a modded A10 Mustang GT to a stock '11 GT500. A low-/mid-12s car to begin with, and you're saying it "struggles" to get into the 11s stock? Uhh, yeah! Because it's not an 11s car to begin with. If someone can put a stock '11 GT500 in the 11s, that's a commendable feat! Again, comparing a modded A10 GT to a stock '11 GT500 and praising the GT for hitting 11s is moot.
I'd take the 11-12 shelby over an S550, don't care how fast the S550 is with the bitch stick A10, it has no sex appeal and is a soulless car next to the Shelby. Now a manual PP2 car would be a different story, tough call there.
Right, this dude is saying a car that runs bottom 12's stock will struggle to get in the 11's with bolt ons lol. And I'm pretty sure I watched a video of a stock 2011 gt500 run 11.9, while probably a hero run, it shows its capable.
Yeah, not going back and forth with him, he's special.
What's the point of the conversation?
Stock, the a10 GT is faster and quicker in the 1/4, hero runs aside.
Same goes for bolt ons. There are already 10 second 18+ NA Coyote cars trapping at or over 130.
I don't know of any stock blower 11/12 Shelby's trapping over 130. They might exist, I just haven't seen any.
Fact is, the Shelby needs a blower upgrade to compete with a max effort NA 18+ coyote car.
The dollar/performance ratio of the new Mustangs cannot be beat. Sure, they are less desirable than a Shelby and have FAR less resale value but if you just want to go fast on the cheap---they are REAL hard to match in the new car market.
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