2012 gt500

[DavidHasselhoff]

I don't think they are in the same league or category..........I was merely pointing out that for certain buyers (like myself), I would consider both as possibilities because of the power. As far as guidelines, well certainly, a two seater 'Vette is not the same as a four seater CTS-V Coupe or a GTR......a Vette is a sports car with muscle car power.....the other two are high-powered performance coupes.

I wasn't saying you did. I was referring to everybody else saying they were. You clearly stated they weren't and most people considering one car wouldn't consider the other....I myself have a GT500 though and want a CTS-V coupe....just too bad they had em sticker for $75k at the dealer....yet on their website you can have one for $63k..$70k full loaded..I thought markups weren't allowed anymore since they were bailed out by the government.

 

[gnxs]

Wow, alot of hostility here in discussing two baddass cars. I can relate to both the GT500 and CTS-V as a CTS-V owner (and a 2004 Cobra owner). I don't own a GT500 but since I'm a Terminator owner, I hang around and race with local GT500 guys alot and there are many similarities (for purposes of this discussion) between the GT500 and Terminator.

- The GT500 and CTS-V gets cross-shopped occasionally, but I doubt it's the norm. They're not meant to compete with each other, but the new Z/28 is meant to.

- There are alot more young CTS-V owners than you think and ALOT of modded ones out there. However, there are also a bunch of older guys driving these cars that will never mod them. The GT500 community is MUCH MORE likely to wrench on their cars.

- For all intents and purposes the cars are a dead heat at the drag strip in stock form. Both manual trans versions are capable of 12 flat @ 119+ mph. However, the auto equipped "V" is much easier to launch and will beat your average GT500 at the track only because it's easier to be consistent with. Very few guys behind the wheel of a GT500 are Evan Smith and even an average driver in an auto-equipped CTS-V can go very low 12's in decent air.

- Both will go much faster when modded and the CTS-V reacts to mods at least as well as the GT500, but the Mustang has a much more robust aftermarket and can easily mod-up to get down to the 9 second zone if they desire. There are numerous mid-10 second CTS-V's out there. The fastest is 10.32 @ 136, but one guy is supposed to be shooting to the 9's shortly (he's been 10.56 best so far), but the car is fairly limited in production and doesn't enjoy as much aftermarket support in some areas. But again, the LSA motor is part of the LSX family and big cube monster motors could be built. I just don't think the average Caddy owner is likely to go that route.

The GT500 will always have more potential if you want to spend the $$$. Lighter, much better aftermarket (twin-screws availability alone is a big advantage), more cars out there, etc. The only real advantage the CTS-V has is the decent automatic it's available with from the factory.

I was racing two weeks ago with one of the faster, lightly modded GT500's on this site (FLYVNE04). My "V" is also lightly modded. We split our two races (each of us winning once), but he was quicker both runs, even on the run he spun slightly (I got the win on a holeshot, his 11.02 to my 11.04). His best slip was .3 quicker than mine that day comparing our best runs. This past Sunday we both had new bests and he was still .2 quicker. However, he could bolt-on a twin-screw and probably open up that advantage to more like a full second in the 1/4 mile and 10 mph. He's just trying to get the most out of his current combo first I believe. The GT500 has more potential for speed, but the Caddy will be a little nicer to live with on a daily basis.

My $0.02.

P.S. - Maybe BJ (FLYVNE04) will find this thread and add his own perspective.

 

[L82ford]

gnxs - That is probably the best post in this entire thread.

 

[Tob]

We split our two races...

What kind and size of rubber were each of you running?

Tob

 

[Ry_Trapp0]

I corrected this for you. The Caddy is quicker, but the GT500 is 2.3 sec. FASTER at the end of the 1/4 mile (according to that video). I found this to be true based on my encounter with one. My boss has one of these Caddys. We've raced from a roll and I've had no trouble pulling him. I'm sure he will get me from a dig though, because if you have ever driven a GT500 you will know that these cars are very, very hard to launch on stock tires.
This was with my old and lowly 08 GT500KR which BTW has been the quickest & fastest (11.92 @ 120.77 on stock tires & 11.58 @ 122.16 on MT street tires) new Mustang MM&FF has tested to date. :burnout:

2.3MPH faster i think you mean. either way, irrelevant. the winner of a drag race is the one with the lowest ET, and drag racing is what we're talking about here. use whatever word you want, but, both cars stock and all things equal, the CTS-V will consistently be the first one at the end of a 1/4 mile. i don't think anyone is arguing what will happen after a 1/4 mile/from a roll.
either way, i'm surprised that the troll hasn't been banned yet. i mean, this thread has just plain been destroyed, lol.

 

[gnxs]

What kind and size of rubber were each of you running?

Tob

I was on a 305/35/18 MT DR on C6 Z06 wheels, he was on an 325/50/15 M&H DR on Bogarts. We both had bests of 1.5 60 fts.. I don't recall the exact numbers but his were slightly better than mine.

 

[Cabinetman]

People seem to think if vehicle's share one or two similarities that they are indeed in the same category. So the GT500 is in the CTS-V's league? If anything I'd see the CTS-V being compared more to a Skyline GTR. They both are within the same price range, they both are 2+2 coupes. Both have non primitive suspensions unlike the GT500. I'd see those 2 cars being in the same league before the GT500 and the CTS-V being in the same league. Or am I wrong? Isn't the GTR compared more to a Z06 though. So wouldn't this mean the CTS-V coupe should also be in the same league as the Z06 as well? What are the actual guidelines for car's being in the same competing class?

I'm of the opinion that different people cross shop different car based on their desires.

I personally feel like the CTS-V is a closer competitor to the GT500 than it is to the GT-R. I owned a 2011 GT-R (FYI, they are no longer Skyline GT-Rs. When Nissan developed the R35 it was developed as a separate model instead of a modified Skyline) and it is a pure sports car and not merely a sporting coupe. The ride is rough, the cabin is loud and the all the controls are very sensitive. In return you get very good feedback and excellent performance around a track. The Z06 is a much closer competitor to the GT-R.

With that said, i think of the CTS-V as a more affordable alternative to the BMW M and Mercedes AMG cars. It is a refined coupe that makes a good compromise between cruising comfort and world class performance.

Having a rear seat doesn't exclude a car from being a sports car. If it does then I guess all the versions of the Porsche 911 that come with rear seats, basically all but the GT cars, are just 2+2 coupes.

 

[apexchain]

Shelby vs CTS-V

[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uw7MO6dCHRc&feature=related"]YouTube - Shelby vs CTS-V[/nomedia]

 

[apexchain]

[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztzKKXqmJ4M"]YouTube - shelby vs cts-v.mp4[/nomedia]

 

[me32]

nice video

 

[rdsnk46]

I was hoping this was over.

 

[02GTKB]

Some new info on the 2012 GT500...
http://www.mustanghe...rices-released/

Not much difference for the 2012's. Universal garage door opener and Recaro's seem to be the hilights.

Quoted from article for reference with credits to the author:
In the price department the MSRP for the coupe will be $49,495 with the convertible MSRP being $54,495, both include destination and delivery.

A list of options and their prices for the 2012 Shelby GT500 are below:

* $1,595 - Recaro Leather Sport Seats
* $1,995 - Glass Roof
* $2,340 - Electronics Package (Navigation and Dual Zone Climate Control)
* $3,995 - SVT Performance Package
* $375 - Full Vehicle Cover
* $1,295 - Shaker 1000 w/ In-Dash CD, MP3, 10 Speakers

 

[Ry_Trapp0]

2012 Shelby GT500 Order Guide and Prices Released | Ford Mustang Heaven
that's the working link.

 

[PowerWheels]

325's out back, stock.

 

[Ry_Trapp0]

wat? says 285s on the order guide. or was that just one of those wishful thinking statements? how sweet it would be!

 

[PowerWheels]

They really should take it to a 305 stock, it's kinda ridiculous.

 

[Shaker1]

Damn! $57425 before taxes with Recaros, EP & PP. Glad I modded my 08 last summer. It'll keep me enthralled until used, garage queen 2012s start showing up for reasonable prices!

I hope the new Z/28 doesn't beat the GT500 in performance and price!

 

[BLK93GT]

Damn! $57425 before taxes with Recaros, EP & PP. Glad I modded my 08 last summer. It'll keep me enthralled until used, garage queen 2012s start showing up for reasonable prices!

I hope the new Z/28 doesn't beat the GT500 in performance and price!

The Z28 got axed, it's not happening now.

 

[DavidHasselhoff]

The Z28 got axed, it's not happening now.

Really? I was hoping it'd come out. I was gonna trade my GT500 in for one if the Z28 was a formidable opponent.

 

[BLK93GT]

Really? I was hoping it'd come out. I was gonna trade my GT500 in for one if the Z28 was a formidable opponent.

This is what someone told me the other day, but I can't find any info about it anywhere so who knows. I mean they already have built prototypes and what not but that doesn't mean much I guess.