I agree with the Supreme Court, you should have to have a search warrant, I mean your are searching correct? Also if you really think that cops shouldn't need a warrant for this, how about I attach a gps to your cop car and track it so you don't catch me? It works both ways, criminals need to be caught but it must be done in a manner that keeps police from infringing on rights in all cases.
I want more details.
Do the cops have to show the vehicle owner the warrant. And would this mean the registered owner or the holder of the pink slip?
Or do they just have to show it to the car?
whatever, no skin off my back by all means let the savages roam free
Ever hear of innocent until proven guilty? Would you want someone tracking the exact whereabout of your son/daughter? Where would the line be drawn to determine if someone is to be a suspect? Lol just team up with Apple, you'd have the locations of at least a few million people.
This is a good thing, and I cannot see how anyone could see it any other way. Just get a warrant if you are so sure of criminal activity.
maybe you might wanna read the article about what he was arrested for...in short let me present this scenario however horrible: your kid dies in that guys nightclub, where he scored the drugs. Many other people have overdosed at the club...the police know this guy is moving/selling drugs through the club but when they go in, the drugs and cash are somewhere else...so what do we do at a dead end? we adapt and find a way to track this guy and see where hes keeping his stash and drugs. Bam we track him and get him, therefore getting the drug dealer partly responsible for your kids death off the street. Would you as a parent not feel some sense of justice? or would you rather me come to your house and say "well sorry we got no other info, and since they wont grant us permission to follow this guy, hes getting away scott free so sorry for your loss" would you then be satisfied with that? I know as a parent i wouldn't
just something to think about
maybe you might wanna read the article about what he was arrested for...in short let me present this scenario however horrible: your kid dies in that guys nightclub, where he scored the drugs. Many other people have overdosed at the club...the police know this guy is moving/selling drugs through the club but when they go in, the drugs and cash are somewhere else...so what do we do at a dead end? we adapt and find a way to track this guy and see where hes keeping his stash and drugs. Bam we track him and get him, therefore getting the drug dealer partly responsible for your kids death off the street. Would you as a parent not feel some sense of justice? or would you rather me come to your house and say "well sorry we got no other info, and since they wont grant us permission to follow this guy, hes getting away scott free so sorry for your loss" would you then be satisfied with that? I know as a parent i wouldn't
just something to think about
trust me, i know why people would say "yea the decision makes sense" and yes in many ways it does to prevent police abuse of power, or violating peoples civil rights, trust me im not in agreement with that kind of police work. However when we have something to build on and we need a little more on a specific person, a known criminal why cant we have just a little room to get more and nail the bastard? especially if we are mostly doing some surveillance to get info and possibly stumbling upon a crime ring? or when those special circumstances arise when we have missing children, a serial rapist, murderer? criminals have also adapted and gotten smarter over time, and police have to adapt in order to keep up with how these people get away with crimes...it sucks to look someone in the face and say "i wish i could do more, but my hands are tied"
so trust me im not advocating we follow anyone at anytime whenever we want, i just prefer that they lay out some guidelines and exceptions instead of these blanket decisions that leave us scrambling for answers...warrants arent always issued at will, its actually a bit difficult to get one and thats my major issue with this because in police work time can be your worst enemy or your greatest ally
But That's just one case and maybe the parents should think about why their kid is trying to score lethal drugs! Are all suspects guilty? No, then why should they all be treated as if they were? If someone robs my workplace, and I work there, does the Police automatically get to destroy my right to privacy and track me 24/7? That's insanity!
Definitely a bad situation for sure, but my concern (as should be all citizens) is how do we guarantee that this is never abused, and where do we draw the line? Giving the gov't the ability to potentially track someones every move over suspicion is a scary thought. If there is probable cause, get a warrant.
The gov't has a terrible track record when it comes to protecting our rights. Little by little our rights are whittled away, and I am not comfortable with where this country is heading I don't trust the gov't, and that will never change.
wow i mean seriously? re read what i wrote, i said "partly responsible" because yea maybe the kid made the decision to use the drugs, but the drug dealer provided it, brought them into a club where people go to have fun, not die! you think you as a parent can control your kid 24/7? did you not remember being young?
and if someone robs your workplace, why would the police track YOU? are you thinking before you speak? unless they think it was an inside job and you are a suspect? plus you have no right to privacy at your workplace, your boss could give us permission to search, your just an employee you dont live there! come on bro just stop...:nonono:
ok i can agree with you on the government part, cuz quite frankly im not a fan either of how things are going...however im talking about police, not the feds. at the local level...as i said a warrant is not that easy to get, through some surveillance we might be able to add more therefore getting us a warrant to conduct a search...if we simply follow the guy present our facts and say" were pretty sure this is the stash house" the judge might be inclined. I understand your concern and im with you on it, thats why I stated some guidelines be put in place to be sure it is not misused...im not advocating a police type state
probable cause is not always available or obvious, thats why we are allowed to use "reasonable suspicion" which allows us to dig further and obtain probable cause...there are steps we have to take
if you think citizens have less and less rights, imagine cops? we have less rights than citizens, not entitled to certain protections or freedoms believe it or not...and criminals can get away with far too much with all the technicalities and liberal BS
Let's break it down..
You can easily enter a club to have fun, be offered drugs to PURCHASE and say no. However, if you go to said club, snort a line of cocaine followed by a large dose of MDMA and whatever else the line of dealers threw into it, then you die and the dealer is the one at fault? And my rights should be infringed on now? If I eat 24 Big Mac's and die, should the cashier at Mickey D's be charged for manslaughter?
If the dealer is caught handing drugs and receiving money, by all means track him! But if there's a rumor that a tall kid named John is selling drugs so we're going to track all 6ft+ John's in the area... that's no bueno.
Basically, you shouldnt have to track your kids 24/7 as long as you know they understand the consequences of taking certain drugs.. or doing anything illegal.
Now on my example of my workplace being robbed and me being tracked is that since I work there, I could be considered a possible suspect. And if I'm a possible suspect I could then be tracked... again no bueno.
I'm just a little conservative on this one I guess. Great topic nonetheless