Bicycle Ticket
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oke:LEOs can give a ticket for anything they deem appropriate. They have the ticket book, the radio, and the gun. If a LEO chooses to ticket you, you are SOL. Get over it, dude!
I know it's a hard lesson to learn. It was for me anyhow. But once you catch the attention of a LEO, for whatever reason, your a$$ is his! He may cut you a break; he may not. He may seem picky; he may not. But your version of the facts and circumstances bear no weight whatsoever. Your only hope is to never do anything or be any place that gets you "noticed".
You come across as a sympathizer though, and should you ever be put in a less than desired situation where it looks like you might be in the wrong, you will lay down and accept it.
To explain my point which you obviously did not get as stated by you it is: Should police ever be involved with me, I use "I don't consent to searches, do you have a search warrant if not then leave my property, I'll talk to you away from my house and off my property, or use my right to not talk." By using these things, which are all legal I might add, whoever says differently is just wrong and will end up like you should anything less than desired happen to them, it puts up what I call a legal barrier as long as I have it on camera which I will, with or without police know how because I have the right to film anywhere I want in public and on my own property especially. Police have one of two option at this point which are:
1.) Respect the law they supposedly enforce so well and respect the fact that I've used my rights and not cross any legal boundaries.
or
2.) They can do things their way, break a law by comeing in my house, my car, where ever I am without my permission or search warrant yada yada...and my attorney will promptly deal with them in court should anything arise from the interaction, with my video evidence of everything that happened in the process.
My rights I use are designed to protect me, even if I should be doing something wrong. Why would I take responsibility for something that could hurt me and won't cause harm to others by me not taking responsibility for it? I could just keep partying if I don't, why would I ever stop doing that?
I was expecting my last post to get me banned is why I said goodbye.
Btw to make sure my grounds are covered before once again someone says you don't know what we need a warrant for so here they are: someone is screaming for help, you're in pursuit of a suspect, someone agrees to let you in, you have probable cause, otherwise you need a search warrant. If you don't know, they teach officers how to word their conversation so that you easily give up your rights and in most cases don't even know you have. For instance, if a cop tells you to get out of your car and just hops in the front seat, you better tell him to get the hell out because if you don't, well you just gave up your right to not consent to that search.
The funny thing about my "drivel" is also that its true, but hey don't take my word, just sit there and let them rape you anyway they so choose without fighting back because they'll do that unless you use some very select wording and a video camera and be sure not to be dumbass about it. Why make it easy for them to get you, make them work for it, at least then you stand a fighting chance in court based off of them screwing up somewhere in their "investigation"
To explain my point which you obviously did not get as stated by you it is: Should police ever be involved with me, I use "I don't consent to searches, do you have a search warrant if not then leave my property, I'll talk to you away from my house and off my property, or use my right to not talk." By using these things, which are all legal I might add, whoever says differently is just wrong and will end up like you should anything less than desired happen to them, it puts up what I call a legal barrier as long as I have it on camera which I will, with or without police know how because I have the right to film anywhere I want in public and on my own property especially. Police have one of two option at this point which are:
1.) Respect the law they supposedly enforce so well and respect the fact that I've used my rights and not cross any legal boundaries.
or
2.) They can do things their way, break a law by comeing in my house, my car, where ever I am without my permission or search warrant yada yada...and my attorney will promptly deal with them in court should anything arise from the interaction, with my video evidence of everything that happened in the process.
My rights I use are designed to protect me, even if I should be doing something wrong. Why would I take responsibility for something that could hurt me and won't cause harm to others by me not taking responsibility for it? I could just keep partying if I don't, why would I ever stop doing that?
I was expecting my last post to get me banned is why I said goodbye.
Btw to make sure my grounds are covered before once again someone says you don't know what we need a warrant for so here they are: someone is screaming for help, you're in pursuit of a suspect, someone agrees to let you in, you have probable cause, otherwise you need a search warrant. If you don't know, they teach officers how to word their conversation so that you easily give up your rights and in most cases don't even know you have. For instance, if a cop tells you to get out of your car and just hops in the front seat, you better tell him to get the hell out because if you don't, well you just gave up your right to not consent to that search.
The funny thing about my "drivel" is also that its true, but hey don't take my word, just sit there and let them rape you anyway they so choose without fighting back because they'll do that unless you use some very select wording and a video camera and be sure not to be dumbass about it. Why make it easy for them to get you, make them work for it, at least then you stand a fighting chance in court based off of them screwing up somewhere in their "investigation"
Questions that I answered for you. If you have additional questions related to the incident, I'll be more than happy to answer them.
Quite a few of the posts that have followed are mostly grandstanding on the part of jailhouse lawyer candidates. I would recommend you stick to those who can provide you with answers to your questions and stop allowing others to sidetrack the conversation.
My guess is you were cited for either cvc section/s 21201(a) 21202(a) and/or 21650.1
They are easily fixed, even if you challenge the stop, the court will demand you bring the bike up to code if you wish to continue riding it on public streets. If you limit its use to BMX riding (off-road or in designated parks, etc) you should be fine.
If you present well, most likely the court will waive the riding on the wrong side and ask that you bring the bike up to specs.
This is worth absolutely nothing. you have proven time and time again that you don't know what you are talking about, you give piss poor advice in the guise of knowing what you are talking about all the while being 100% wrong. do I "sympathize" with the cops? to a certain extent I do. their job is hard enough with the asshats. if I run across people like you I would be just as likely to shoot you in the face as listen to your "I know my rights" drivel. and THAT is why I am not a cop, I don't have their patience for stupid.
that being said, however, I am a realist, and I know enough to recognize bullshit when I see it. and I see a lot of it in your posts. just because I don't agree with you, you think I am 100% in the cops corner right or wrong and that is not even close to the truth. If you ever posted something accurate that wasn't colored with your cop hatred I might even agree with you.
that being said, however, I am a realist, and I know enough to recognize bullshit when I see it. and I see a lot of it in your posts. just because I don't agree with you, you think I am 100% in the cops corner right or wrong and that is not even close to the truth. If you ever posted something accurate that wasn't colored with your cop hatred I might even agree with you.
Your list is not exhaustive so please do not offer legal advice, especially since you arent a licensed attorney. There are other exceptions and exemptions to the warrant rule. Also, if the cop jumps in your front seat after asking you to exit he may be doing so with full authority. One example is the "plain sight" doctrine.
But you know what I am not here to give you a free lesson in the law, I am just here to let you know that your post is incomplete and nobody should take it as actual legal advice.
You'd better be careful since it's clear you don't know the law very well.
You indeed do NOT have a "right to film anywhere" you want in public, especially if it's of police.
Even though most states consider it free speech, some non-free states don't, including my own home state of IL. There have been many people arrested and convicted with long prison terms here in IL from recording cops without their permission.
mswaim
Thank you for answering my questions w/o any insults.
I was cited for 21650 and 21201 (a).
Thank you for answering my questions w/o any insults.
I was cited for 21650 and 21201 (a).
Cohhbra, I wish you would have consulted with your attorney before posting this crap!
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It's threads like this that I really wish I became a LEO. As matter of fact, I am thinking of joining the Police Academy in CA just so I can earn my badge, find OP and write him ticket (it really doesn't matter what for) so I can hear him complain and tell him that ignorance of the law is not a defense. :bash:
If I buy the bullets will you reconsider?
. Find cobrah while you are at it and show him just how wrong he is lol
I got a ticket from a motor officer also while riding my bike. I was riding in the street as requried but had headphones on, which is against the law. The officer was nice, and we talked a bit about his job and the such.
My question I have always had though, I understand headphones are illegal because they distract the user since they can only hear their music and not surrounding noises. But you can be 100% deaf and ride you bike on the street, which would give you as much of a disadvantage of using headphones. I did not fight the ticket, just paid my $160 fine and went on my way, but I have always wondered about that. I know the legal answer to my question, but it still never made sense to me.
As to the OP who said he would rather ride on the side walk for safety issues, it is actually much more dangerous. It is much easier to get hit by cars pulling in and out of residential and commerical driveways while on the sidewalk than it is on the street.
My question I have always had though, I understand headphones are illegal because they distract the user since they can only hear their music and not surrounding noises. But you can be 100% deaf and ride you bike on the street, which would give you as much of a disadvantage of using headphones. I did not fight the ticket, just paid my $160 fine and went on my way, but I have always wondered about that. I know the legal answer to my question, but it still never made sense to me.
As to the OP who said he would rather ride on the side walk for safety issues, it is actually much more dangerous. It is much easier to get hit by cars pulling in and out of residential and commerical driveways while on the sidewalk than it is on the street.
Deaf people can also get drivers licenses and drive motor vehicles. The distinction is the disability is not something that divides attention, whereas the headphones and music will not only blanket out noise around you, but also divide your attention.
Also it is legal in certain areas (such as in CA - 27400(d) VC) and circumstances to wear ear plugs/protection against injurious noise levels, such as under a motorcycle helmet to mitigate road/wind/engine noise; sounds that can permanently damage hearing.
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Haha, so now you're talking about shooting me and you're talking about buying the bullets, maybe your cop friends should talk to you about what a threat is, cause if you said that to them you would be in jail. But the internet is freedom (mostly, it should be lawless) as it should be and I respect that you are allowed to say what you want.
Btdub, "plain sight" = probable cause, I know that, and plain sight of what? Nothing I've said would lead to a plain sight clause being used.
As for recording police, yes, yes I can and yes I will, and if I can't and you arrest me you can guarantee there will be at least 5 more pointed in your direction, that's how we roll. You can record me with your video camera on your dash but I can't do that to you, how's that fair?
Some of you seem to think cops have the right to do what they want and no, I'm not a cop hater, I simply want them to respect the law 120% as they expect me to respect the law 120% and I mean every little minute detail, right down to the last code on the the last page of the last book, I mean you are a cop and you do know allthe laws right?
As for anything else, what happens behind my closed doors is my own business, not the cops, not my neighbors, not anyone's business. Do you not get that's what I'm getting at, stay the **** out of my house and I'll keep out of yours.
Let's say a cop comes to my door for a noise complaint from my party, someone in my house would most definitely see them coming as there is a plain view of the street, a very plain view. Knock Knock, I answer the door with my friend, who is video recording, by us cracking the door, sliding out, shutting it behind us, and locking it. Have I done anything illegal yet, no don't think so. The cop proceeds to tell me why he's there and that he would like to search the house or come in sometimes this happens when they try to do a "mandatory search":bs:. "Do you have a search warrant?" No, well then I will have to ask you to please leave my property as you don't have the right to be here. And no just because there's drinking going on in my residence doesn't mean he has the right to I.D. everyone inside, how can he tell what's in my red solo cup by looking at it?. If he thinks he does, which is likely, well the door's locked, you're not getting inside.
And of course, you'll say he can kick the door in or just take my key and go in....did I mention the video camera on the inside of the house? No, no I didn't and here's where it comes into play. Now you've illegally entered my house and it doesn't matter wtf you find in there going on because now it doesn't matter based on you entering my house illegally to begin with.
You might ask yourself, where do you get this info from (that you think is soooooo wrong), well I get it from two people who've used it, well at least their lawyers did. Actually used it to the tune of 5 felony charges and 8 misdemeanors between them....and 0 convictions. I won't tell you what they were charged with, but they were all things that were stupid laws only to protect stupid people from themselves. These guys are kind of stupid though, they keep getting slapped with things and just can't seem to avoid it, but 13 charges and 0 convictions is pretty sound legal action to me. The funny thing is if you met them, you would have no idea, suburban kids from a small town, look 100% normal, they could be right beside you and you wouldn't know, isn't that scary? Felons (not actually haha) that got off based on the police not 120% doing their "investigation" correctly.
I have no charges and so far am 100% successful with all this "drivel" I've said.
Would you like to take this to smackdown so I can really say what I need to?
take it to smackdown if you want. I couldn't care less. I doubt you'll be any more right there than you have been here. Probably wont waste any more time on you either
You might want to spend some time in a reading comprehension class before you make a smackdown thread. This post alone shows you don't have enough to make a successful smackdown post.
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Wow you are seriously confused. Your web based "knowledge" is going to get you in a lot of trouble.
Oh yeah, stop posting your nonsensical drivel in the Donut Shop.
This last sentence feels like a birthday present to me! Even if it is a few months early. :lol1:
So I noticed no one said anything about the situation I proposed...why? Because if that situation played out there's nothing you could do to stop me unless you break the law. Checkmate...and I'll leave you with this cause I think it's funny, it involves recording police without their consent and not talking to them, both rights I also have. I will say these are nice police officers though, I have no problem with them as they respected his rights and followed the law 120% just like they're supposed to...but I guess they also had to because there was a camera in their face...Great Video
And btdub, of course you guys aren't going to agree with me, do you think I didn't know that from the beginning? That's what this is all about, I've dealt with this before and won, the attitudes need to change. You say I'm wrong but I only speak from PERSONAL LIFE EXPERIENCES. It's just funny to watch you sit their and literally deny something I can do. It's just like if I saw you walking down the sidewalk and run away fast, you'll still come after me and probably throw me on the ground. Have I done anything wrong, no, running down the sidewalk is legal. That's suspicious though right, humanly yes, but justice is blind and it's perfectly legal for me to run down the sidewalk at any time I want even if it does appear I'm running from you, I was never being detained to begin with.
Oh and as for the whole recording police responses, check the Constitution, I would bet jail time that any of those laws against recording police would not hold up in The Supreme Court.
Just to clarify, I don't know many laws, I know a very specific set, namely interacting with the police, that is all.
And btdub, of course you guys aren't going to agree with me, do you think I didn't know that from the beginning? That's what this is all about, I've dealt with this before and won, the attitudes need to change. You say I'm wrong but I only speak from PERSONAL LIFE EXPERIENCES. It's just funny to watch you sit their and literally deny something I can do. It's just like if I saw you walking down the sidewalk and run away fast, you'll still come after me and probably throw me on the ground. Have I done anything wrong, no, running down the sidewalk is legal. That's suspicious though right, humanly yes, but justice is blind and it's perfectly legal for me to run down the sidewalk at any time I want even if it does appear I'm running from you, I was never being detained to begin with.
Oh and as for the whole recording police responses, check the Constitution, I would bet jail time that any of those laws against recording police would not hold up in The Supreme Court.
Just to clarify, I don't know many laws, I know a very specific set, namely interacting with the police, that is all.
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You have posted nothing that comes even close to verifying your claims. It is very easy to claim to have all these "persoal" experiences or claim to hang out with felons that have gotten out of trouble on the internet. ESP. When you provide no details or proof. Your stories are inconsistent and full of holes and inaccuracies yet you expect us to give you credibility. Not happening, your understanding of the "law" in you claimed are of expertise has been proven wrong more than once.
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