ZL-1 Killed on Interstate with 2012 GT

[2KBlackGT]

It's actually nice to see a 5.0 owner argue that the ZL1 is faster, he also seems to have first hand accounts to support his arguement as well. Kudos to him.

 

[black99lightnin]

¼ mile time is also indicative of traction and driver. A 3rd gear roll race isn’t the same as launch down the ¼ mile. Further, I can’t help but assume you are cherry picking your ¼ mile times for the comparison.


I’m in FL where the temps are just as high and so is the humidity and I watched a ZL1 with a poor little tvs destroy every 5.0 bolton in ½ mile roll racing. I’m more than aware of the effects of humidity and temperature on power.

I like that you credited 450rwhp for the zl1, another example of cherry picking/mitigating the differential. Auto zl1s put down around 480 not 450 and the manuals around 500. This is a very large difference and like I mentioned before similar to if somebody with a Bolton 4.6 GT was claiming to have walked a stock 5.0 by 3-4 lengths.

This forum is no different than any other car forum I’ve been a member of, filled with fan boys.

I’d love to believe that my Bolton 5.0 is faster than a stock zl1 but as much as I’d love to believe that I’d prefer more to not be considered delusional.

Wasn't cherry picking anything. I'm using the OP's car which is high 11's at 118-119. I did mistype on the 450, meant to type 480. 10 key by touch got me. You know the 5 is right below the 8?

Why do you discredit that this is very real and happens? A bolt-on 5.0 is 420-430 rwhp and weighs 3600lbs. A stock ZL1 makes between 480-500 and weighs 4100lbs. Either way you slice it you still have to move that mass and to think it miracously goes away from an 80 hit just isn't true.

Also ET is indicative of driver and traction. Trap speed is indicative of hp. So a bolt-on 5.0 that traps nearly 120 in the 1/4 is more than enough to take down a STOCK ZL1. Show me any stock ZL1 except the GM video of any ZL1 trapping 120. Now if you ran all the way up to top speed I'm sure the ZL1 would go around the 5.0. An 80-110-120 blast?

 

[pho_phizzat]

As others have pointed out being lined up side by side would have made it legitimate, whether the guy had downshifted already or not, he still had to react to you so you absolutely got the jump and no telling by how much. Further, the guy could have been a complete noobcake and selected the wrong gear when he did downshift, that is my guess.

I too drive a '12 5.0 with boltons and 3.55s and have first hand experience with ZL1, no way from a roll is a bolton 5.0 faster than the ZL1, an objective individual would realize this, whether they drove a bow tie or pony.

Can't even really say you beat the driver here as the scenario was not a legitimate setup for a "race". You took off and zl1 chased...

Others have been once again trying to compare 1/4 mile times to say "see, look a bolton 5.0 can totally take a zl1"...

1/4 mile times do very little to indicate the outcome in a roll race, mass becomes so much less a factor and it comes down to power and aero....

Your bolton 5.0 isn't put near to the ground what that zl1 is...:shrug:

Roll racing at a 1/2 mile event a stock zl1 was hitting 148 all day the best bolton 5.0 (with 3.73s) only hit 138...

This

 

[Bdubbs]

IDK a kill in my book is a kill, nice job op. There's a couple newer camaros (not sure if ZL1) locally that I'd like to get up next too. They seem to give me the "good luck" look if you know what I mean.

 

[TheCPE]

Why do you discredit that this is very real and happens?

I'm not saying that "this" didn't happen. I'm saying the OP got the hit and more than likely the ZL1 was in the wrong gear....that is all it takes to explain this and if I were the 5.0 driver I'd understand that is what happened. I'd feel pretty good about it, but I'd understand that it was a bad gear selection and not that my car was faster than the zl1.

Why do I say this, because I drive a bolton 2012 5.0 and I have first hand experience against a stock ZL1 in roll racing.

To believe that the OP's encounter was a legitimate measure of a bolton 5.0 vs a stock ZL1 would mean a 10 car length swing in outcomes between my experience and this account....

A bolt-on 5.0 is 420-430 rwhp and weighs 3600lbs. A stock ZL1 makes between 480-500 and weighs 4100lbs. Either way you slice it you still have to move that mass and to think it miracously goes away from an 80 hit just isn't true.

Nobody said it goes away, but if you apply the physics you'll see that at higher speeds inertia is a very small factor compared to aerodynamics. The weight advantage is going to be minimal from a 3rd gear roll.

Trap speed is indicative of hp. So a bolt-on 5.0 that traps nearly 120 in the 1/4 is more than enough to take down a STOCK ZL1.

You just said bolton 5.0s make about 420 and stock zl1s make about 480 and then you turn around and say that trap is indicative of hp... So did that 5.0 with the 120 trap make more power than the zl1 with 116 trap?

Now if you ran all the way up to top speed I'm sure the ZL1 would go around the 5.0. An 80-110-120 blast?

It will go around sooner than at "top speed" ....

I looked up C&Ds test results of the ZL1 but not for the 1/4 mile time that some people love to quote and beat to death...

I looked at the 60-130 which is much more indicative to a roll race like what the OP described. I've done lots of testing with my Pbox so I know the 60-130 of my bolton 5.0, my best has been 12.42 seconds. C&D tested the ZL1 60-130 at 10.6 seconds. That is 1.82 sec differential, which isn't even close to being a drivers race but we are supposed to believe that the OP not only was faster but by 3-4 cars and it had nothing to do with the ZL1 being in the wrong gear.

 

[black99lightnin]

I'm not saying that "this" didn't happen. I'm saying the OP got the hit and more than likely the ZL1 was in the wrong gear....that is all it takes to explain this and if I were the 5.0 driver I'd understand that is what happened. I'd feel pretty good about it, but I'd understand that it was a bad gear selection and not that my car was faster than the zl1.

You just said bolton 5.0s make about 420 and stock zl1s make about 480 and then you turn around and say that trap is indicative of hp... So did that 5.0 with the 120 trap make more power than the zl1 with 116 trap?

hp/weight. Local guy here(Baton Rouge), stock ZL1 dynoed 438 hot. Goes by Taser Deployed on Cam5. I don't know him personaly although I did extend the olive branch to go to the track. Here is his quote: "I will say I love the car but i'm definitely not happy with the heat soak that "I" have experienced. I have put down dyno times of 438rwhp (straight off of the street) and 485rwhp (once the car cooled down 20 mins later) which is unacceptable but I have accepted it because I have no other issues with the car. The cooling issue will be addressed shortly and then on to adding power."

Maybe said ZL1 was suffering from the well known heat soak issues due to it's very small innercooler, and lack of a resevoir for the ic system?

How do you explain the vid of the Boss 302 with just CAI and tune pulling on Torques ZL1?

 

[MikeLTDLX]

Does it matter if he was in the wrong gear? I left his ass. He never came remotely close to catching up, and he was certainly trying.

When the win light lights up at the end of the track for someone else, do you get to make excuses about bad shifts, launches, etc? You win or you lose.

I never said my car was "faster" than his, I said I raped him in a BS roll race on the interstate. If it had been at the track, it would have been an even worse case of spankage.....

Mike

 

[11GT50]

Nice kill!!

The guys over at Camaro5 thought this car was going to trap in the upper 120s back in Nov lol.

Camaro5 is the special education classroom of automotive websites on the internet. I've never seen a bunch of close minded, parochial bunch of idiots in my life. Those guys make the KKK look like an accepting, progressive organization. If you don't absolutely sing the praises of the Camaro and everything GM does in general, you're quickly banned over there. Pussies.

Cool car, dumb owners. And sadly, my experience with them in real life mirrors their behavior on the internet.

I have trapped 119.42.

I wish the guy had come around to the side of me, but it was not exactly planned. He came after me, I gave him the best indication I could that I was about to go...and I went. I have had people try to do the same to me before, and I have practically driven through their bumpers because I was clearly faster. This guy was 100% on it, and all he did was watch me pull away. Was he in the wrong gear? I don't know. Did I get a jump? I don't know. I usually don't roll race, but I will take an interstate hop if it presents itself. If the Z was genuinely quicker than I was, he would have reigned me in, simple as that. I am sure at the track, it would have been even more definitive, considering my car runs consistently in the high 11.7s-low 11.8s.

It was fun, and I consider it a "win."

A win is a win, sure. But given the capabilities of both cars, I think your experience is atypical in relation to what should have happened. The fact that it was one of those, "I was in front of him and I floored it" type of races only muddies the issue even further.

I'm saying the OP got the hit and more than likely the ZL1 was in the wrong gear....that is all it takes to explain this and if I were the 5.0 driver I'd understand that is what happened. I'd feel pretty good about it, but I'd understand that it was a bad gear selection and not that my car was faster than the zl1.

I agree. Like I said, a win is a win and he should feel good about it. But I wouldn't count on replicating this if you're a bolt on 5.0 owner, which I am and I won't.

 

[19935.slow]

¼ mile time is also indicative of traction and driver. A 3rd gear roll race isn’t the same as launch down the ¼ mile. Further, I can’t help but assume you are cherry picking your ¼ mile times for the comparison.


I’m in FL where the temps are just as high and so is the humidity and I watched a ZL1 with a poor little tvs destroy every 5.0 bolton in ½ mile roll racing. I’m more than aware of the effects of humidity and temperature on power.

I like that you credited 450rwhp for the zl1, another example of cherry picking/mitigating the differential. Auto zl1s put down around 480 not 450 and the manuals around 500. This is a very large difference and like I mentioned before similar to if somebody with a Bolton 4.6 GT was claiming to have walked a stock 5.0 by 3-4 lengths.

This forum is no different than any other car forum I’ve been a member of, filled with fan boys.

I’d love to believe that my Bolton 5.0 is faster than a stock zl1 but as much as I’d love to believe that I’d prefer more to not be considered delusional.

I'm also in Fl. I've ran 12.1 at 108 mph while spinning, but the car went 11's at over 113 with traction. Summer time to boot. E.t. does matter. Lower e.t. and 60' will result in a higher mph.

 

[dumbstixlars]

Hey a chase is a race, I couldn't pull on a 6.0 GTO a few weeks ago cause I didn't know he was going to go, but I still lost. Good kill Mike.

 

[Black*Death]

It's actually nice to see a 5.0 owner argue that the ZL1 is faster, he also seems to have first hand accounts to support his arguement as well. Kudos to him.

+1 to that. With some 5.0 owners actually logically and factually arguing I have some hope for the rest of the 5.0 owners.

maybe after they have read and raced enough they will understand better?

5.0 is a great car and responds well to mods but some of these claims are crazy that have been posted on SVTP

 

[ITRIEDEL]

+1 to that. With some 5.0 owners actually logically and factually arguing I have some hope for the rest of the 5.0 owners.

maybe after they have read and raced enough they will understand better?

5.0 is a great car and responds well to mods but some of these claims are crazy that have been posted on SVTP

It's because they're a crazy car, unlike the slow "terminators"


;-)

 

[ITRIEDEL]

When the win light lights up at the end of the track for someone else, do you get to make excuses about bad shifts, launches, etc? You win or you lose.

When you are on a track, you both go at the green light... unless you used honks, it's a bad metaphor...

 

[cobra_mer]

It's because they're a crazy car, unlike the slow "terminators"


;-)

Oh boy here we go... :beer:

 

[GotHemi?]

Wtf is so hard to believe?!! OP car has already trapped 119. Very very few ZL1's have ran that mph. I can promise you in la summer heat a ZL1 is a 115mph car at best, iced down and all. More like 110-113 after a couple passes.

Those saying ZL1's put down 500rwhp on a regular basis is smoking some good chit. They get as low as 430 after a couple pulls.

 

[primetime]

The one I raced at the strip trapped 109mph in 3300+ DA... My car normally traps 117-118 so DA was a big factor... I also posted this in pics/vid...

2010 Audi S4 vs 2012 Camaro ZL1... - YouTube

 

[T.Man]

Here's a perfect video to help with this "debate"

Supra VS ZL1 Camaro - YouTube

"The Camaro is Manual and im auto stock twins 17 psi
The 5.0 has fully bolt on including tune maybe exhaust sounded to nice and loud to be stock.
The zo6 is my friend so we were playing around."

:shrug:

 

[Klay]

I dont see why its so hard to believe? Given what he has run in the 1/4 mile it is entirely possible he beat a stock ZL1. Sure, they can trap 117-119 mph in great conditions but 115-116 mph has been more common.

And traps are very indicative of how a roll race will turn out. More often than not a car that traps higher will win a roll race. I would argue a 1/2 mile is less indicative of how a roll race will turn out just because of how high of speeds you get.

While not all bolt on 5.0's will win a roll race, its definately within reason to imagine one winning. The ZL1 hasnt been putting that great of numbers stock unfortunately.

 

[TheCPE]

And traps are very indicative of how a roll race will turn out. More often than not a car that traps higher will win a roll race. I would argue a 1/2 mile is less indicative of how a roll race will turn out just because of how high of speeds you get.

:dw:

You do realize that the 1/2 mile roll racing event was a roll racing event and that the speeds start to finish of those races was very similar to the OP's encounter...

:shrug:

I guess my 5.0 is a dog AND this zl1 was a freak...

 

[ITRIEDEL]

Oh boy here we go... :beer:

;-) :beer: