¼ mile time is also indicative of traction and driver. A 3rd gear roll race isn’t the same as launch down the ¼ mile. Further, I can’t help but assume you are cherry picking your ¼ mile times for the comparison.
I’m in FL where the temps are just as high and so is the humidity and I watched a ZL1 with a poor little tvs destroy every 5.0 bolton in ½ mile roll racing. I’m more than aware of the effects of humidity and temperature on power.
I like that you credited 450rwhp for the zl1, another example of cherry picking/mitigating the differential. Auto zl1s put down around 480 not 450 and the manuals around 500. This is a very large difference and like I mentioned before similar to if somebody with a Bolton 4.6 GT was claiming to have walked a stock 5.0 by 3-4 lengths.
This forum is no different than any other car forum I’ve been a member of, filled with fan boys.
I’d love to believe that my Bolton 5.0 is faster than a stock zl1 but as much as I’d love to believe that I’d prefer more to not be considered delusional.
As others have pointed out being lined up side by side would have made it legitimate, whether the guy had downshifted already or not, he still had to react to you so you absolutely got the jump and no telling by how much. Further, the guy could have been a complete noobcake and selected the wrong gear when he did downshift, that is my guess.
I too drive a '12 5.0 with boltons and 3.55s and have first hand experience with ZL1, no way from a roll is a bolton 5.0 faster than the ZL1, an objective individual would realize this, whether they drove a bow tie or pony.
Can't even really say you beat the driver here as the scenario was not a legitimate setup for a "race". You took off and zl1 chased...
Others have been once again trying to compare 1/4 mile times to say "see, look a bolton 5.0 can totally take a zl1"...
1/4 mile times do very little to indicate the outcome in a roll race, mass becomes so much less a factor and it comes down to power and aero....
Your bolton 5.0 isn't put near to the ground what that zl1 is...:shrug:
Roll racing at a 1/2 mile event a stock zl1 was hitting 148 all day the best bolton 5.0 (with 3.73s) only hit 138...
Why do you discredit that this is very real and happens?
A bolt-on 5.0 is 420-430 rwhp and weighs 3600lbs. A stock ZL1 makes between 480-500 and weighs 4100lbs. Either way you slice it you still have to move that mass and to think it miracously goes away from an 80 hit just isn't true.
Trap speed is indicative of hp. So a bolt-on 5.0 that traps nearly 120 in the 1/4 is more than enough to take down a STOCK ZL1.
Now if you ran all the way up to top speed I'm sure the ZL1 would go around the 5.0. An 80-110-120 blast?
I'm not saying that "this" didn't happen. I'm saying the OP got the hit and more than likely the ZL1 was in the wrong gear....that is all it takes to explain this and if I were the 5.0 driver I'd understand that is what happened. I'd feel pretty good about it, but I'd understand that it was a bad gear selection and not that my car was faster than the zl1.
You just said bolton 5.0s make about 420 and stock zl1s make about 480 and then you turn around and say that trap is indicative of hp... So did that 5.0 with the 120 trap make more power than the zl1 with 116 trap?
Nice kill!!
The guys over at Camaro5 thought this car was going to trap in the upper 120s back in Nov lol.
I have trapped 119.42.
I wish the guy had come around to the side of me, but it was not exactly planned. He came after me, I gave him the best indication I could that I was about to go...and I went. I have had people try to do the same to me before, and I have practically driven through their bumpers because I was clearly faster. This guy was 100% on it, and all he did was watch me pull away. Was he in the wrong gear? I don't know. Did I get a jump? I don't know. I usually don't roll race, but I will take an interstate hop if it presents itself. If the Z was genuinely quicker than I was, he would have reigned me in, simple as that. I am sure at the track, it would have been even more definitive, considering my car runs consistently in the high 11.7s-low 11.8s.
It was fun, and I consider it a "win."
I'm saying the OP got the hit and more than likely the ZL1 was in the wrong gear....that is all it takes to explain this and if I were the 5.0 driver I'd understand that is what happened. I'd feel pretty good about it, but I'd understand that it was a bad gear selection and not that my car was faster than the zl1.
I'm also in Fl. I've ran 12.1 at 108 mph while spinning, but the car went 11's at over 113 with traction. Summer time to boot. E.t. does matter. Lower e.t. and 60' will result in a higher mph.¼ mile time is also indicative of traction and driver. A 3rd gear roll race isn’t the same as launch down the ¼ mile. Further, I can’t help but assume you are cherry picking your ¼ mile times for the comparison.
I’m in FL where the temps are just as high and so is the humidity and I watched a ZL1 with a poor little tvs destroy every 5.0 bolton in ½ mile roll racing. I’m more than aware of the effects of humidity and temperature on power.
I like that you credited 450rwhp for the zl1, another example of cherry picking/mitigating the differential. Auto zl1s put down around 480 not 450 and the manuals around 500. This is a very large difference and like I mentioned before similar to if somebody with a Bolton 4.6 GT was claiming to have walked a stock 5.0 by 3-4 lengths.
This forum is no different than any other car forum I’ve been a member of, filled with fan boys.
I’d love to believe that my Bolton 5.0 is faster than a stock zl1 but as much as I’d love to believe that I’d prefer more to not be considered delusional.
It's actually nice to see a 5.0 owner argue that the ZL1 is faster, he also seems to have first hand accounts to support his arguement as well. Kudos to him.
+1 to that. With some 5.0 owners actually logically and factually arguing I have some hope for the rest of the 5.0 owners.
maybe after they have read and raced enough they will understand better?
5.0 is a great car and responds well to mods but some of these claims are crazy that have been posted on SVTP
When the win light lights up at the end of the track for someone else, do you get to make excuses about bad shifts, launches, etc? You win or you lose.
It's because they're a crazy car, unlike the slow "terminators"
;-)
And traps are very indicative of how a roll race will turn out. More often than not a car that traps higher will win a roll race. I would argue a 1/2 mile is less indicative of how a roll race will turn out just because of how high of speeds you get.
;-) :beer:Oh boy here we go... :beer: