2012 300C vs 03 Mach 1

[50 Proof]

The 60's a bodies were a nice size comparitively speaking. The old 64 dart I used to have would have been perfect for a 340 or 360 swap. I hope dodge follows through with a smaller rwd pony car sized car. I wish the new dart wouldn't have been a fwd bastardization but I guess back in the 60's that was dodge's economy car with the bullet proof slant six, so it only makes sense to keep it an economy car.

 

[MACHXLR8]

The 60's a bodies were a nice size comparitively speaking. The old 64 dart I used to have would have been perfect for a 340 or 360 swap. I hope dodge follows through with a smaller rwd pony car sized car. I wish the new dart wouldn't have been a fwd bastardization but I guess back in the 60's that was dodge's economy car with the bullet proof slant six, so it only makes sense to keep it an economy car.

True..the 60's A-body cars were their "economy" cars BUT..you always had the option of ordering a V8 (273 Hi-Perf, 318, 340, 360, I even think you could order a factory built 440 or 426 Hemi with fenderwell headers...The options back then were limitless.
Today, say for the new Dart, you can only get the N/A small 4 cyl motors or the turbo SRT version...Why can't you order an SRT8 or even 5.7 motor in a Dart?
That would be an awesome option...

 

[drod2111]

Hell yea!!!!! Nice kill

 

[Poppacapp]

Good kill as expected.

Of course the 300 should spin from a dig. Skinny street tires, probably RSAs, good tq, large mass. The acceleration a of a body is parallel and directly proportional to the net force F acting on the body, is in the direction of the net force, and is inversely proportional to the mass m of the body and the contact patch of those skinny tires is the weak link in the take off. It's the same problem I have.

1.First law: If an object experiences no net force, then its velocity is constant: the object is either at rest (if its velocity is zero), or it moves in a straight line with constant speed (if its velocity is nonzero).[2][3][4]

2.Second law: The acceleration a of a body is parallel and directly proportional to the net force F acting on the body, is in the direction of the net force, and is inversely proportional to the mass m of the body, i.e., F = ma.

3.Third law: When a first body exerts a force F1 on a second body, the second body simultaneously exerts a force F2 = −F1 on the first body. This means that F1 and F2 are equal in magnitude and opposite in direction.

:beer:

Cliff's notes and layman's terms:

Da' Mach One Won. :rolling:

 

[willys srt8]

Cliff's notes and layman's terms:

Da' Mach One Won. :rolling:

Yes it did as it should have. I was betting on the Mach.

 

[zacmustang03]

The 60's a bodies were a nice size comparitively speaking. The old 64 dart I used to have would have been perfect for a 340 or 360 swap. I hope dodge follows through with a smaller rwd pony car sized car. I wish the new dart wouldn't have been a fwd bastardization but I guess back in the 60's that was dodge's economy car with the bullet proof slant six, so it only makes sense to keep it an economy car.

The dart wasn't always an economy car i had a 68 which back in 68 dodge took and put a 426 hemi in and cut the fenders out for larger rear tires . Superstock . The thing ran in the tens back then. Big motor small car always had success look at the Ac cobra ..

 

[JaysonMFK]

1 slip and you'll lose, those cars trap 103-106 STOCK.

Finally someone that is in touch with reality...

People getting fired up about a drivers race is hillarious. Stock and stock, what 3/10ths and maybe 2/3 MPH trap speed seperates these cars and everyone cant fathom it being a close race? talk about bench racing and magazine racers galore.

Like I state in everyone of these threads..MACH 1s are only a little quicker than a 2V...
The 300C race will be very close...Can't wait for the vid.

Ive raced bolt on pullied 03/04's and had them by 1/2 cars in my 5.7 Charger.

lol. Video is out. 5.7 got pulled, I wouldn't call that close in any sense of the word.

Overhead cam technology dates back to the early 1900s. Now, what was it exactly you were saying about dated hemi technology?

And this, yeah... great point! Since the 5th century we've had crankshaft-connecting rod machines, so I guess it's all the same..

Let's not take into account modern FEI and computational fluid dynamics in the engineering design process, or hp/weight ratio of the engines, or their limits in ability to make more power without grenading.

Let's just stick to throwing out irrelevant pieces of history...

As I said before the 5.7 is not that great.. It's not necessarily a bad engine. But it's for damn sure not worth putting on a pedestal from an engineering standpoint.


Anyways, lol at the video proving what everyone(except the mopar guys) had expected.

 

[willys srt8]

lol. Anyways, lol at the video proving what everyone(except the mopar guys) had expected.

I expected exactly what happened.

 

[2KBlackGT]

Good kill op, kinda surprised you won by that much.

lol. Video is out. 5.7 got pulled, I wouldn't call that close in any sense of the word.





And this, yeah... great point! Since the 5th century we've had crankshaft-connecting rod machines, so I guess it's all the same..

Let's not take into account modern FEI and computational fluid dynamics in the engineering design process, or hp/weight ratio of the engines, or their limits in ability to make more power without grenading.

Let's just stick to throwing out irrelevant pieces of history...

As I said before the 5.7 is not that great.. It's not necessarily a bad engine. But it's for damn sure not worth putting on a pedestal from an engineering standpoint.


Anyways, lol at the video proving what everyone(except the mopar guys) had expected.

Yet you didn't quote one person that said the OP would lose:shrug:

 

[50 Proof]

lol. Video is out. 5.7 got pulled, I wouldn't call that close in any sense of the word.





And this, yeah... great point! Since the 5th century we've had crankshaft-connecting rod machines, so I guess it's all the same..

Let's not take into account modern FEI and computational fluid dynamics in the engineering design process, or hp/weight ratio of the engines, or their limits in ability to make more power without grenading.

Let's just stick to throwing out irrelevant pieces of history...

As I said before the 5.7 is not that great.. It's not necessarily a bad engine. But it's for damn sure not worth putting on a pedestal from an engineering standpoint.


Anyways, lol at the video proving what everyone(except the mopar guys) had expected.

The 5.7 and 6.1 are proof that you dont need to over engineer something with four camshafts and 32 valves and god knows what else, just to be able to go fast. Ever hear of the kiss method?

 

[OneBadWS6]

lol. Video is out. 5.7 got pulled, I wouldn't call that close in any sense of the word.





And this, yeah... great point! Since the 5th century we've had crankshaft-connecting rod machines, so I guess it's all the same..

Let's not take into account modern FEI and computational fluid dynamics in the engineering design process, or hp/weight ratio of the engines, or their limits in ability to make more power without grenading.

Let's just stick to throwing out irrelevant pieces of history...

As I said before the 5.7 is not that great.. It's not necessarily a bad engine. But it's for damn sure not worth putting on a pedestal from an engineering standpoint.


Anyways, lol at the video proving what everyone(except the mopar guys) had expected.

Thats funny considering one of the guys posting in here is running 11's with a H/C Full weight R/T :whine:

 

[JaysonMFK]

Thats funny considering one of the guys posting in here is running 11's with a H/C Full weight R/T :whine:

He also ran 11's with a 125 shot. And apparently blew the axle during one of those 11 second runs? Just going off the short sig. info..

Either way, 11's are quick. Congrats to that. Doesn't change my opinion however. Guess what the Coyote 5.0 will run with a 100 shot..

Both of my points still stand: one, the decade old 4.6 liter Mustang shit on the brand new 5.7 as was expected, and two, the 5.7 isn't a pinnacle of engineering. Am I wrong about either?

 

[50 Proof]

Actually you are. All variations of the 4.6 are under powered slugs. It wasnt until ford pulled their head out of their ass and put a supercharger on it that the 4.6 was even worth a shit. The only reason this mach one was purely out of a weight advantage. 305HP out of a dohc 32v motor is nothing to write home about. In fact its pathetic. The 5.0 is proof that ford sat on their ass since1993 and did nothing ground breaking with the 4.6 from an engineering standpoint. Thr hemi and the ls motors are the only reason ford built the 5.0. It's called competition and ford couldnt compete.

 

[MACHXLR8]

He also ran 11's with a 125 shot. And apparently blew the axle during one of those 11 second runs? Just going off the short sig. info..

Either way, 11's are quick. Congrats to that. Doesn't change my opinion however. Guess what the Coyote 5.0 will run with a 100 shot..

Both of my points still stand: one, the decade old 4.6 liter Mustang shit on the brand new 5.7 as was expected, and two, the 5.7 isn't a pinnacle of engineering. Am I wrong about either?

I do not think this was a matter of the 5.7L engine not putting out good numbers...it is more of related to what body the 5.7L motors are going into. I have always stated that Mopar makes some kick-ass motors but they limit their performance by inserting them into heavy bodys. However, if you look back at Chrysler's history, they have always made big cars even for their performance models...e.g. Superbee, GTX, Roadrunner etc.

 

[JaysonMFK]

Actually you are. All variations of the 4.6 are under powered slugs. It wasnt until ford pulled their head out of their ass and put a supercharger on it that the 4.6 was even worth a shit. The only reason this mach one was purely out of a weight advantage. 305HP out of a dohc 32v motor is nothing to write home about. In fact its pathetic.

Agree completely!

Not sure which of the two points I made that you disagree with. I'm not really a huge 4.6 fan, either, not even the infamous terminators...

Anyways, flame suit on. lol

 

[JaysonMFK]

I do not think this was a matter of the 5.7L engine not putting out good numbers...it is more of related to what body the 5.7L motors are going into. I have always stated that Mopar makes some kick-ass motors but they limit their performance by inserting them into heavy bodys. However, if you look back at Chrysler's history, they have always made big cars even for their performance models...e.g. Superbee, GTX, Roadrunner etc.

Agreed, on the subject of weight.. And it just gets worse each year, be it due to safety regulations, consumer preference in amenities or whatever.. All domestic brands need to go on a serious diet.

 

[MACHXLR8]

Actually you are. All variations of the 4.6 are under powered slugs. It wasnt until ford pulled their head out of their ass and put a supercharger on it that the 4.6 was even worth a shit. The only reason this mach one was purely out of a weight advantage. 305HP out of a dohc 32v motor is nothing to write home about. In fact its pathetic. The 5.0 is proof that ford sat on their ass since1993 and did nothing ground breaking with the 4.6 from an engineering standpoint. Thr hemi and the ls motors are the only reason ford built the 5.0. It's called competition and ford couldnt compete.

yea...but it is only a 281 ci motor...that is really not a large surface area for making power...It is all about the flow of the heads and the overhead cams. Adding a little cubic inch to the motor produces good results..Just look at the new 5.0 (302ci) motor. Based on the size of the motor, it is not a bad power output. In addition, could Ford have produced more power out of the 4.6L? Sure they could have but did they want the Hp and Trq to approach the more expensive Cobra?

 

[blkvenm97]

Actually you are. All variations of the 4.6 are under powered slugs. It wasnt until ford pulled their head out of their ass and put a supercharger on it that the 4.6 was even worth a shit. The only reason this mach one was purely out of a weight advantage. 305HP out of a dohc 32v motor is nothing to write home about. In fact its pathetic. The 5.0 is proof that ford sat on their ass since1993 and did nothing ground breaking with the 4.6 from an engineering standpoint. Thr hemi and the ls motors are the only reason ford built the 5.0. It's called competition and ford couldnt compete.

I think it's safe to say the 305 hp from the mach 1 is underrated by Ford as they usually put out 275+ rwhp stock. I've seen some dyno as high as 283 rwhp in mm&ff mag. That would put them closer to 325-330 hp stock...not the rated 305. It is also a car that is now 10 years old....so for it's time it wasn't too shabby, ecspecially considering it has an n/a 281 ci engine. From the looks of the video by the op they're still doing pretty good here in 2013. I expected this outcome. I raced a newer 5.7 charger from a slow roll to about 70ish at a redlight (had to slow down) and had a solid 1.5+ cars and was pulling hard when I let out. I have very similar mods to the op with a mail order tune as well. Still stock gears also. The race that I was involved in looked very similar to the races the op posted. I jumped out quick and was pulling hard. It would have gotten worse had the race went on. nice runs op and good kills! :beer: Not a Dodge hater...great engines and good looking cars. They are obviously a little overweight which is why they get beat a lot like this. But a full exhaust mach vs a bone stock 5.7 is going to turn out the way it did in these vids every time so long as the mach driver has any kind of skill...ecspecially from a roll.

 

[OneBadWS6]

He also ran 11's with a 125 shot. And apparently blew the axle during one of those 11 second runs? Just going off the short sig. info..

Either way, 11's are quick. Congrats to that. Doesn't change my opinion however. Guess what the Coyote 5.0 will run with a 100 shot..

Both of my points still stand: one, the decade old 4.6 liter Mustang shit on the brand new 5.7 as was expected, and two, the 5.7 isn't a pinnacle of engineering. Am I wrong about either?

Wrong car, your talking about the GoHemi's SRT8 im talking about another member in here posting that went low 11's in an H/C RT

 

[JaysonMFK]

Wrong car, your talking about the GoHemi's SRT8 im talking about another member in here posting that went low 11's in an H/C RT

Cool, couple bolt on Coyotes are running in the 10's with drag radials, both standard and automatics. Shaun at AED ran 10.96 with the 6 speed manual, stock CAI, intake manifold, and stock headers. wbt ran even faster with his bolt on automatic, if I remember correctly.