My 05 GTO modding ended with Ed Curtis ported 243's, MS3 cam, Kooks and a FAST 102. Through 3.91's it came out at 468/424. As far as the OP the numbers are real nice. Less impressive in today's cars than a few years ago but that does not change the fact it is probably a really fun car to drive. Ultimately that is what many of us are looking for in our rides.
LS3 are making crazy power..2013 1LE Camaro 491/440 Cam/bolt ons/Stock heads
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Stick to ported cathedrals and a mid 220s cam and you should get to that power, have fun all over and drive like stock.
As far as the original thought, it's not surprising when you have killer heads that flow low 300s out of the box and a boresize to match the massive valves. Basically the LS3 is like any previous Chevy LS but with heads already done. So a simple cam swap in it net H/C numbers previously seen due to the headflow.
Quite the opposite. It's LESS apparent in automatics. The torque converter absorbs it when unlocked, and the converter should never be locked at an RPM low enough to notice any surge that might be present.
Awful choice both in brand and converter size. A 2500 is very wrong for so many reasons. Restalled stock 12" converters are junk, period. They do nothing for performance and generate a ton of heat. Furthermore, this isn't your father's SBC. The LS family torque curve is MUCH higher. 3200-3600 should be considered a MINIMUM for a stock vehicle.
The new Gen V LT1 is much more impressive....same displacement, MUCH better power under the curve, and better peak numbers of course :beer:
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From your viewpoint since you are new to "serious hp", I understand that you think 500rw is impressive. It's a fun driver for sure, but not impressive by a long shot anymore. At 500rw in a heavy 3700lb car, you still have some imports you have to contend with, let alone any real "fast" cars. By all means, enjoy your car, but it's slow as far as the street scene is considered.
5.0's are nice, fun drivers you can have some fun with as long as you don't go too far with them. The blocks in them are questionable at best.
Peak numbers don't mean very much. It's about the whole set up and how the car puts the power down.
But again your making it sound like 500RW is not impressive any more. If you have been around for a long time and have built a few cars then you should know that 500 RW N/A HP is still impressive. Allot of the younger crowd is used to seeing all these cars with blowers and turbos so 500 doesnt sound that impressive when in reality 90% of them couldnt make 500 N/A if their life depended on it.
I feel that just about anything can make big power with boost but to do it NA is impressive. I have owned allot of turbo Buicks and if you can make big power with one of those then just about anything should be able to make power with boost.
Exactly why I stated power under the curve is much better on the new LT1 :rollseyes
In my opinion, it's not impressive at all. Its nothing new. Dodge and Chevy have been doing it from the factory since 2006 with the Viper and Z06. With the 2015's coming out, I'd say it's overdue.
As far as the street scene goes, I don't know about your area, but here in DFW 500hp is slooooooow. Not even remotely competitive. 700-800rw is needed here on the low end of things to be competitive. To be a big dog here you 1500hp+. If you come out N/A, that's your own fault. You don't get extra props for it being NA.
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I see where you're coming from but as you just said it's all an opinion. Personally, the 500+rwhp N/A V8 car will get my attention much quicker than a 700-800rwhp boosted car. Sure the boosted car is faster but the challenge of getting every last bit of HP naturally is more appealing to me, which of course is my opinion.
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No one is saying this car is gonna be a street racing giant. We get it that 500-600 is the new 300. I posted it more in reference to a stock intake, stock TB, stock inj, stock headed car made 500wheel. Nothing more..nothing less.
He just doesnt get what I was trying to say. I know that 500hp on the street is nothing in todays world I was just saying that 500 hp for what it is is pretty impressive. As far as knowing about fast street cars, My Mustang was running mid 10s 25 years ago and a close friend had a 1400HP Grand National almost 20 years ago so I know about fast street cars. My friends GN would still hold its own today on the street and it was built before most of todays "experts" were driving.
He just doesnt get what I was trying to say. I know that 500hp on the street is nothing in todays world I was just saying that 500 hp for what it is is pretty impressive. As far as knowing about fast street cars, My Mustang was running mid 10s 25 years ago and a close friend had a 1400HP Grand National almost 20 years ago so I know about fast street cars. My friends GN would still hold its own today on the street and it was built before most of todays "experts" were driving.
It's the weight that negates it. 4th gen fbodys, **** yeah, I owned one. 450rwhp+ N/A or whatever, and you had a quick car. In a 3900lbs tank with the aerodynamic properties of a sedan with mud flaps = barely a car that traps 120mph with a very large cam. Power is one thing, performance is another. I never thought we'd hear the day that Camaro owners were holding onto the "twisites" and dyno graphs, but then again, never thought GM would create a fat piece of ugly shit for their flagship pony car.
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Deff agree. I think most, yourself included, understand i was more pointing at the LS3s potentially and not boasting about the 5th gen.
this way of thinking is ridiculous. maybe it is just the fact that I have worked my way up in the hp world, but to say 500whp is slow is absurd. maybe all the rich kids up there in dfw can afford "1500hp" "street cars" but down here people have to be happy with 5-600. this isnt street outlaws, and anyone who says 1500 whp is streetable is crazy. that kind of power is dangerous on a controlled track let alone a questionable street.
Again,,, I agree with what your saying but that has nothing to do with the fact that the car made almost 500 at the tire with stock heads and intake. I know that if this drive train was in a 2700 pound chassis it would be a fast street car and instead its in a heavy tank so its probably at best a low 11 second car but that doesnt make it any less impressive of the power it made.
LS3 is a beast, no way two ways about it. No need to wonder about a 2700lb chassis either, even a 3350lb, (4th gen) would be badass enough. Those 400-500lbs make a HUGE difference. My ws6 with just 39xrwhp and 17inch nittos in a full weight car trapped 117mph....That was off the spray....
With 500rwhp N/A it would have been a ****ing animal.
Respectfully, your lack of experience is showing in that post. Technology available these days really makes it easy to not only make a lot of power, but also make it very manageable on the street being able to ramp it in and control all aspects of the tune. This isn't the days of big block cars with huge 10-71 roots style blowers where it's WOT or nothing. I've ridden in several 1000rw+ cars and they almost always dead hook. They are just as easy to drive as my 700hp CTS-V really. A good tune, boost controllers, proper suspension/tire set up and the power gets down. It's not rocket science.
Understandable. It comes down to personal preference and how it's used. We can agree on that for sure.
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