99/01 cobra VS 2007 GT

[wma8706]

My (former) 05 made 27x hp and 30x tq on a Dynojet (stock)

BONE STOCK - Mach > S197 > 99-01 Cobra
FWIW

:lol: Show me proof. So Evan Smith ran a Mach in the 13.1 range and an 01 cobra in a 13.3 range so your telling us that the S197 ran a 13.2 bone stock with him behind the wheel? I know these cars have a few bolt-ons but are very comparable. Mach1 vs 99cobra [ame="http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Bolt-on-Mach-1-Vs-Bolt-on-99-Cobra_105015.htm"]Bolt-on Mach 1 Vs Bolt-on 99 Cobra - Video[/ame] [ame="http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Bolt-on-03-Mach-Vs-Bolt-on-99-Cobra_103896.htm"]Bolt-on 03 Mach Vs Bolt-on 99 Cobra - Video[/ame] and again the S197 > 99-01 video [ame="http://videos.streetfire.net/video/99-Cobra-vs-05-GT_59012.htm"]99 Cobra vs. 05 GT - Video[/ame] I will agree with you that the Mach is > than S197 ....video please.... [ame="http://videos.streetfire.net/video/My-Mustang-Mach-1-vs-05-GT_152843.htm"]My Mustang Mach 1 vs 05 GT - Video[/ame] All drivers race... I guess.

 

[BM1]

Bolt-on 03 Mach Vs Bolt-on 99 Cobra - Video

That video really doesn't support what you're trying to say. The Cobra took the hit and still got walked.

 

[quik6]

That video really doesn't support what you're trying to say. The Cobra took the hit and still got walked.

The gearing of those cars has got to make some difference. 4.30 in the mach vs 3.73 in the cobra. Not to mention apparently all the mods for the mach are not listed.

Everyone is acting like the 99-01's get completely dominated by both the machs and new GTs when in fact its a driver's race.

 

[wma8706]

Don't want to sound like an Ass here. The lack of RESPECT to the 99-01 cobras here is appalling and leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. I've got to stick up for the New edge cobras here. They are indeed the Bastard child of the SVT community due to the 99 cobra fiasco and the rise of the Terminators. I've even seen posts of 99-04 GT saying its a drivers race with the 99-01 cobra. I guess ...anything can be a drivers race. Please explain to me why your current bone stock 4.6 3v engine is any greater at making power than a 4v 4.6 engine built 9-12 years ago. Are the 3v heads better breathing than the B or C-heads or is the cam more aggressive? Is the transmission and suspension that much improved? Which car has the better power to weight ratio ? Truth is... the crappy stock gears in the newedge and IRS wheel hop is what prevents the 99-01 cobras from showing its TRUE potential!

 

[wma8706]

That video really doesn't support what you're trying to say. The Cobra took the hit and still got walked.

the video was not directed at the Machs. Please tell me if there is a discernable gap in straight line power between the Mach and 99-01 cobra for the 05-08gt to fall in? So if the mach is faster than the 99-01 cobras by 1-1.5 cars...therefore...the 05-08 gt is only 1/2 a car behind a mach 1? Bone stock....BS!! If the above post had read mach>sn197=99-01 cobra... I'd probably ignore the dam thread altogether!

 

[WTBMach1]

My (former) 05 made 27x hp and 30x tq on a Dynojet (stock).

Keep in mind the 4v's we are talking about come from the factory requiring 91 octane, whereas the 3v is set up for 87.

BONE STOCK - Mach > S197 > 99-01 Cobra

Any CAN BE a driver's race, as they are all close enough when factoring in some cars naturally make more power than others.

I have a buddy with a full bolt-on Mach (gears, lt's, tune, cai, etc, etc.) who runs ~12.5 on ET streets at the track. My (former) 05 with FR Drag Pak, Handling Pak, and axle back would pull ~ 1/2 - 1 car from a dig, and he would pull ~ 1 car from a 20 roll on the street.


FWIW

i want to see more pics of this guys car. Anyone got a link to pics of it?

Does he have the saleen 302 under the hood?

 

[01SaleenS281]

Driver mod FTW in many of these scenarios when the cars are near the same numbers.

 

[S8ER01Z]

Mach 1 = 01 Cobra > S197 ... i know this because i have an 01 Cobra...buddy has a mach and my Brother has an 08 GT

To be fair if you owned an S197 you would have said Mach 1 > S197 > 99~01Cobra...

Results speak louder than 'I know just because'... Unfortunately the magazines don't help you out because they normally ran very high 13s and low 14s in the 4v Cobras... anyone have actual results they can post?? Otherwise from what I've seen the Mach 1 > S197 = 99~01 Cobra.

 

[PSUCOBRA96]

haha you are all slow the 96-98 cobras are the fastest...j/k but you guys are fighting over such little differences, people here also forget that the Machs have a much higher compression rate, and better gears from the factory. Cobras with 3.27's suck which is why im putting in 4:30's, cars get faster but also more heavy with technology so why dont we all just agree its a drivers race as they put out about equal horsepower..now lets go rag on chevy's

 

[BM1]

the video was not directed at the Machs. Please tell me if there is a discernable gap in straight line power between the Mach and 99-01 cobra for the 05-08gt to fall in? So if the mach is faster than the 99-01 cobras by 1-1.5 cars...therefore...the 05-08 gt is only 1/2 a car behind a mach 1? Bone stock....BS!! If the above post had read mach>sn197=99-01 cobra... I'd probably ignore the dam thread altogether!

I'm not real sure about the S197 due to the fact I've never driven or raced one, but I would be surprised if a 99/01 Cobra with equal mods couldn't hang with it.

 

[PACETTR]

With our fingers crossed, we blasted the Cobra to 7,000 rpm and started collecting data. The first pull was less than spectacular, to say the least--238.9 hp and 252.3 lb-ft of torque. Everyone was a little concerned that this thing did not make the power that we had hoped for (we had heard rumors of 270 hp at the rear wheels), but with the low amount of break-in miles, our test Cobra was as tight as they come. It could be reasoned that the more we ran this thing the more power we would get as the motor broke in and the tranny got loose. We continued on with a second pull in as-delivered condition. This time the Cobra sang out to 248.2 hp and 261.2 lb-ft of torque, suggesting that the first pull was just a warmup.

It must have worked. As he had done all day, Paul gave the big Comp T/As a quick spin to clean them, then he staged as quickly as possible to keep the motor cold. Slipping the clutch at 3,800 rpm and shifting at 6,500, the short time dropped to 2.16 seconds, and the Cobra romped to a 13.79 e.t. at 100.84 mph! We were psyched. The Cobra was finally living up to its press clippings. Paul went right back to the pits, and the cooling ritual started all over again. There would be time for one more pass, but we didn't have time to get the thing stone cold. It showed, as the e.t. dropped back to a 14.015 at 99.51 mph, with another 2.16-second short time. The day was over, and we went home with a single 13-second timeslip.

I believe this was a "pre-fix" car...



...and here is a much healthier 01...

Before we made the switch, Howard brought his car to Crazy Horse Racing in South Amboy, N.J., for a session on the DynoJet. To his (and our) delight, the car kicked out 274 rear wheel horsepower and277 lbs.-ft. of torque. This was without a cool-down and very close (at least horsepower-wise) to the car we tested from Ford in the August issue.

 

[BLUE OVAL NUT]

:beer:I like all the above vehicles mentioned :rockon:!!!! After watching SPEED'S Passtime show and watching a '04 Cobra owner run his car down the track in Fla, and post a 14+second pass let's me know anything is possible with a terrible driver :lol:!!! Like others have said in the past this seems to be a drivers race all things being equal. Because the Mach has a revised setup with better equipment for drag runs: higher torque/lower gears/solid axle's/ etc, it is probably the quickest in the contest.JMO

 

[Un4GivN]

I can think of several stock LT1 cars that could take the mustang from dig or roll.... the C4 variety, firehawks for sure, 96+ SS...

1993 Pontiac SLP Firehawk 350 6 spd 3.23 300@5000 330@2000 4.9 [email protected] MT 7/93
1993 Pontiac SLP Firehawk 350 6 spd 3.23 300@5000 330@2000 4.9 [email protected] Car Craft 7/93
1994 Pontiac SLP Firehawk 350 6 spd 3.42 300@5000 330@2000 4.9 [email protected] MCR Oct/Nov 94
1996 Chevrolet SLP Camaro SS 6 spd 3.42 310@5500 325@2400 0.0 [email protected] MCR Feb/Mar 1996
1996 Chevrolet SLP Camaro SS 6 spd 3.42 310@5500 325@2400 0.0 [email protected] Hot Rod 2/96

And in case someone starts claiming 'those were lt4'...
1997 Chevrolet SLP Camaro SS LT4 6 spd 3.42 330@5800 340@4500 13.25@107mph Car Craft 3/97

LT1s are dogs yet trap speeds are similar to a 3v GT and dyno numbers are relatively close (and while I can't disprove your theory since I don't have a stock LT1 or stock 3v to dyno back to back, I have seen several LT1 dynos that were in the 275+ rwhp area stock...)

To say the LT1 is a dog is to say the 3v is a dog.

One of my good friends has a 95Z28, 3.73's, flows, udps, and tuned only made 265rwhp and runs 8.8's-8.9's on the 8th... I don't see a stock lt1 making 275ish or really remotely close to it..

 

[Thump_rrr]

Don't want to sound like an Ass here. The lack of RESPECT to the 99-01 cobras here is appalling and leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. I've got to stick up for the New edge cobras here. They are indeed the Bastard child of the SVT community due to the 99 cobra fiasco and the rise of the Terminators. I've even seen posts of 99-04 GT saying its a drivers race with the 99-01 cobra. I guess ...anything can be a drivers race. Please explain to me why your current bone stock 4.6 3v engine is any greater at making power than a 4v 4.6 engine built 9-12 years ago. Are the 3v heads better breathing than the B or C-heads or is the cam more aggressive? Is the transmission and suspension that much improved? Which car has the better power to weight ratio ? Truth is... the crappy stock gears in the newedge and IRS wheel hop is what prevents the 99-01 cobras from showing its TRUE potential!

I'm no expert on the 99-01 or Mach 1 but where the S197 has improved over those 2 cars is in the Variable Camshaft Timing.
The difference in HP over the 2v GT's was 40 fwhp.

The disadvantage of the S197 is its weight compared to the SN95 chassis since it is a heavier car.

 

[S8ER01Z]

One of my good friends has a 95Z28, 3.73's, flows, udps, and tuned only made 265rwhp and runs 8.8's-8.9's on the 8th... I don't see a stock lt1 making 275ish or really remotely close to it..

http://www.ls1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50264
"my 97 dynoed 260hp and 290tq if that helps. its a m6 with 3.42's"

It's a freak thing to see them at 275ish (ive honestly only seen 3 people claim that high)...but 26x rwhp is fairly common for an M6...

 

[Mach1USMC]

Don't want to sound like an Ass here. The lack of RESPECT to the 99-01 cobras here is appalling and leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. I've got to stick up for the New edge cobras here. They are indeed the Bastard child of the SVT community due to the 99 cobra fiasco and the rise of the Terminators. I've even seen posts of 99-04 GT saying its a drivers race with the 99-01 cobra. I guess ...anything can be a drivers race. Please explain to me why your current bone stock 4.6 3v engine is any greater at making power than a 4v 4.6 engine built 9-12 years ago. Are the 3v heads better breathing than the B or C-heads or is the cam more aggressive? Is the transmission and suspension that much improved? Which car has the better power to weight ratio ? Truth is... the crappy stock gears in the newedge and IRS wheel hop is what prevents the 99-01 cobras from showing its TRUE potential!

One thing I find interesting is when you go FI on the S197's- mod for mod they consistantly get higher HP out of thier cars. I've heard (don't know for sure) that the 3v heads actually breath almost as well as the 4v- how that's possible I don't know:shrug: Doesn't make sense to me. But numbers don't lie. I've heard (again I don't know for certain) is the weak point on the S197's is the headers- even on the GT500. It was mentioned in MM&FF how surprising it was when they changed out the headers just how much more HP they got.

I know that the gears, IRS and heads aren't helping the 99-01 Cobras. On the other hand you can learn to launch the IRS- it's really not that hard, and you can get the IRS brace. As far as the heads go just P/P them and you're fine. Gears are an easy fix as well. It seems to me that the 03/04 Mach1 is the natural progression of what the Cobra should have been had Ford/SVT stuck with an N/A car.

 

[281cobra]

To be fair if you owned an S197 you would have said Mach 1 > S197 > 99~01Cobra...

Results speak louder than 'I know just because'... Unfortunately the magazines don't help you out because they normally ran very high 13s and low 14s in the 4v Cobras... anyone have actual results they can post?? Otherwise from what I've seen the Mach 1 > S197 = 99~01 Cobra.

Unfortunately those 1/4 mile times can be contribute to the testing of the down on horsepower 99 Cobra. After the fix the 99's ran just as well as the 01 Cobras.

Here's a Car and Driver road test of a 01 Cobra.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...nce/ford_svt_mustang_cobra_road_test/(page)/1

As you can imagine, we were quite eager to get into the latest Cobra model. We received the Mineral Gray 2001 model pictured here. The car felt strong, but it still didn't seem to have Camaro punch. Perhaps 320 horses was still optimistic.

Then we strapped on the test gear and made a few runs at the track. The results were staggering—the Cobra's acceleration time matched a Camaro SS's. The Cobra scooted to 60 mph in only 4.8 seconds and through the quarter in 13.5 seconds at 105 mph. Our last Z28SS (a particularly quick model we tested in October 1998) hit 60 mph in 4.9 seconds and did the quarter in 13.5 seconds at 107 mph.

 

[S8ER01Z]

Thanks for the post... still concludes Mach 1 > S197 = 99~01 Cobra.

 

[281cobra]

Yeah, but look at the MPH. Most S197 trap 2-3 mph less which means once you get pass the 1/4 mile the 99-01 Cobras will start pulling on them.

 

[USMCFieldMP]

Yeah, but look at the MPH. Most S197 trap 2-3 mph less which means once you get pass the 1/4 mile the 99-01 Cobras will start pulling on them.

Ding Ding Ding!

Which, technically speaking, means that the 99/01 Cobra is the faster car.

I'd put money on the Cobra if there were a race between two stock ones, not a doubt in my mind.