Happy for Ford but at the same time depresses me that a stock GT now has the same/better performance than my Cobra that I've sank a lot of money into.
Happy for Ford but at the same time depresses me that a stock GT now has the same/better performance than my Cobra that I've sank a lot of money into.
If ford can come out with a 400+hp 5.0L DOHC GT that DOESN'T weigh 4000lbs I'll sell my Si on the spot to get one
If ford can come out with a 400+hp 5.0L DOHC GT that DOESN'T weigh 4000lbs I'll sell my Si on the spot to get one
only if its under 4000lbs?
Hey, you never know, it is the internet after all. However when considering some of the credible sources, that have a reliable history, making a statement, then it's wise to sit up and pay attention.
But. If "my mate's wife's 2nd cousin's uncle's brother-in-law's monkey's crocodile" comes up with a rumour, you would think twice about it.
Fourcam330 mentioned these figures a very, very long time ago, and other credible sources have backed these numbers. The issue is, if you don't know these guy's history then of course you can get a bit skeptical.
But, forget all that now. The 3.7's specific power should give you an idea of what to expect from the 5 litre. On 87 octane.
The Aussie 5.4 Boss is rated at 422hp (on higher octane) but with nowhere the amount of "bells and whistles" that this new unit has. In my opinion, 400 is conservative.
Cheers.
If ford can come out with a 400+hp 5.0L DOHC GT that DOESN'T weigh 4000lbs I'll sell my Si on the spot to get one
But the Mustang GT's have never weighed too much more than in the neighborhood of 3500lbs. The current Mustang GT weighs in at 3590lbs. I don't think an extra cam will weigh it down an extra 400lbs. Get ready to put the old Vtech up on the market. :rolling:
Now the GT500 on the other hand... :nonono:
Seriously? Why don't you poll this board? Or a Google search? The coil packs on the 2V, 3V, and 4V engines go bad, A LOT! Ford has even released customer satisfaction programs for certain vehicles. Ford part numbers can be very useful if you know what you're looking at. Do you know how many times the COP has been updated for your car?
Injectors? Nearly fail-proof until 03. The 3Vs seems to get the bulk of the problems. They stick open. Check your local dealer for injector failure and resulting catalytic converter failure rates on the 3Vs, under warranty.
But the LS piston slap and oil consumption was never an issue right? And you show me a thread where stock LS1's regularly turn 6500 rpms w/ out problems. Stock pushrods were bending just by banging the factory rev limiter.
Or how about the head crack issue on the 5.3's, or intake gaskets needing to be replaced under 100k miles.
Lets not even get into heating issues and how the whole LS engine is garbage but the crank when used w/ forced induction.
Shall we get into the rest of the F body? how much time do we have?
Formula51 said:Tons of board members in various threads, including this one I believe, have said they expect 400hp on regular octane.
Of course premium is recommended in the LS3, it was recommended in the LS1. All I am trying to say is that existing engines/technology do not support 400hp on regular octane without direct injection. ESPECIALLY, in a $30k car.
How much specific power does Ford's new 3.7 litre V6 have? I think you should move out of the 90's and take a good look at who's doing what!
Your argument is flawed, to draw conclusions based off what Jaguar put out is very short-sighted. And to produce 80hp/litre in an n/a isn't very difficult (unless you're GM).
Falc'man said:But, forget all that now. The 3.7's specific power should give you an idea of what to expect from the 5 litre. On 87 octane.
I hate to say it, but.... I told you so!
Our whole debate was about whether it made 400hp. And that knowing "who" the trusted sources are goes a lot further than stabs in the dark about an unknown quantity. That debate is over now.Yes you did! However, the 3.7L makes its specific output on 87 octane. I haven't seen it published yet but I do not believe the Mustang GT's 412hp will be on 87 octane.
I am sure you will see it published that it can "run" on 87 octane as I think the Coyote has a knock sensor system to retard timing. However, the full power will only be realized on premium fuel.
As an enthusiast who spends plenty of money on my car, I have no problem with that. However, it is a big step for the traditionally more budget oriented Mustang.
Now if it comes out as "premium fuel ONLY" like the S62 5.0L in the BMW M5 was, that would be bad. I don't expect that though.
Speaking of BMW's, this Mustang GT with Track Pack could be a poor mans M3!!!!! I am very excited to see the reviews and it will be the first Mustang I EVER go test drive!