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Are we still talking about new vehicles?

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How to say you know nothing about the profession without saying you know nothing about the profession.
How to say "I couldn't make it without sucking off the teat of government or a union" without saying it.

Yep, clueless. Maybe in the big D cities where they are just warehousing the kids during the day and have zero ****s to give.
Hopewell twp. is a rural/suburban district. Teachers unions are a scourge on society. Their only purpose is serve themselves, children be damned. How can you defend a kindergarten teacher making $100k plus a $20k health insurance, plus a pension, on a 6 hour a day schedule?
You're crazy if you think that is a normal teacher salary

IDK about down south but up in the north it doesn't take long to hit 6 figures as a teacher. Plus a pension, plus a platinum healthcare package, plus an easy 180 day schedule. It took my SIL 6 years to hit $108k/yr (as a gym teacher), and because it's what the rest of us consider a "part-time" job, she can have a career in real estate.
 

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How to say "I couldn't make it without sucking off the teat of government or a union" without saying it.


Hopewell twp. is a rural/suburban district. Teachers unions are a scourge on society. Their only purpose is serve themselves, children be damned. How can you defend a kindergarten teacher making $100k plus a $20k health insurance, plus a pension, on a 6 hour a day schedule?


IDK about down south but up in the north it doesn't take long to hit 6 figures as a teacher. Plus a pension, plus a platinum healthcare package, plus an easy 180 day schedule. It took my SIL 6 years to hit $108k/yr (as a gym teacher), and because it's what the rest of us consider a "part-time" job, she can have a career in real estate.

I am married to a 3rd grade teacher, I LOL at the 6 hour day and only during the school year. She is one year away from retirement and far away from 100,000.

When teacher compensation gets out of whack, things like what happened in WI happen. There are a lot of states and cities where the union is definitely a scourge, no disagreement and the teachers reflect that.
 

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Pay for your own college and stay out of my pocket.
Oh and those poor teachers, underpaid and putting in a tough 6 hour shift 180 days a year. GTFO with that shit.


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Those are not teachers. They are administrators. They have 11-12 month per year work schedules. They all are under the auspices of the NJ Teacher and Annuity Plan, and listed salaries frequently, but not always, include benefits packages as well. i.e. pension contributions by employer, health care costs, Medicare, unemployment insurance and workman's comp.
 

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How to say "I couldn't make it without sucking off the teat of government or a union" without saying it.


Hopewell twp. is a rural/suburban district. Teachers unions are a scourge on society. Their only purpose is serve themselves, children be damned. How can you defend a kindergarten teacher making $100k plus a $20k health insurance, plus a pension, on a 6 hour a day schedule?


IDK about down south but up in the north it doesn't take long to hit 6 figures as a teacher. Plus a pension, plus a platinum healthcare package, plus an easy 180 day schedule. It took my SIL 6 years to hit $108k/yr (as a gym teacher), and because it's what the rest of us consider a "part-time" job, she can have a career in real estate.

I am married to a 3rd grade teacher, I LOL at the 6 hour day and only during the school year. She is one year away from retirement and far away from 100,000.

When teacher compensation gets out of whack, things like what happened in WI happen. There are a lot of states and cities where the union is definitely a scourge, no disagreement and the teachers reflect that.

My parents each spent 30+ years in education. My mother was a high school math teacher and had a Masters+60. My dad started his career as a teacher, went into administration, and ultimately earned his PhD. I have to laugh @7998 and his perception of how much teachers make and how little they work. If it's such a sweet gig and pays as much as you think, why are there nationwide teacher shortages?
 

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If my teacher wife made even $100k I probably wouldn't have started a side business.
Now that she is an art teacher she doesn't do as much in the summer, but when she was language arts there were always two or three multi day workshops in the summer. I still give her a hard time about only working half the year and completely ignoring the fact that I work 4/10's and have five weeks of vacation which adds up to the same or less days worked.
 

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My comment has nothing to do with the thread title, but then again neither do the last couple pages...just had to say this.

Those that think teachers have a cush job, work short hours, are paid well, and get paid vacation for 3-4 months each year are purposely burying their head in the sand.

That is all.
 

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As an outsider, it sounds about right. It would be interesting to get 13Cobra's take on it.

Eh. No-sales and "IF" bids have been around forever.

Just like every industry. There are guys that do it well, and some that do it poorly. This guy makes some decent points, but it's nothing groundbreaking or new haha

EDIT: It also doesn't give a very good comparison about pre-pandemic and post pandemic.
 

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How to say "I couldn't make it without sucking off the teat of government or a union" without saying it.


Hopewell twp. is a rural/suburban district. Teachers unions are a scourge on society. Their only purpose is serve themselves, children be damned. How can you defend a kindergarten teacher making $100k plus a $20k health insurance, plus a pension, on a 6 hour a day schedule?


IDK about down south but up in the north it doesn't take long to hit 6 figures as a teacher. Plus a pension, plus a platinum healthcare package, plus an easy 180 day schedule. It took my SIL 6 years to hit $108k/yr (as a gym teacher), and because it's what the rest of us consider a "part-time" job, she can have a career in real estate.

you are absolutely right.

i processed payroll for public school districts for a long time.

regular k-12 teacher was 7 hrs per day, 10 months per year. average pay across the board was $100k... plus benefits and pension.

administrators were 12 months but their average salary was much higher.

granted, this was in a very expensive part of the country, but everytime i hear people say "poor" teachers are underpaid, i laugh.
 

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you are absolutely right.

i processed payroll for public school districts for a long time.

regular k-12 teacher was 7 hrs per day, 10 months per year. average pay across the board was $100k... plus benefits and pension.

administrators were 12 months but their average salary was much higher.

granted, this was in a very expensive part of the country, but everytime i hear people say "poor" teachers are underpaid, i laugh.

For teachers you are confusing contract hours with the hours it actually takes to do the job. And yes, at the militant schools, contract hours are all they do, and it shows.
 

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you are absolutely right.

i processed payroll for public school districts for a long time.

regular k-12 teacher was 7 hrs per day, 10 months per year. average pay across the board was $100k... plus benefits and pension.

administrators were 12 months but their average salary was much higher.

granted, this was in a very expensive part of the country, but everytime i hear people say "poor" teachers are underpaid, i laugh.

‘In a very expensive part of the country’

And surely you don’t think teachers only work when the schools open yeah? Ain’t no way….cuz that’s how your post reads
 

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IDK about down south but up in the north it doesn't take long to hit 6 figures as a teacher. Plus a pension, plus a platinum healthcare package, plus an easy 180 day schedule. It took my SIL 6 years to hit $108k/yr (as a gym teacher), and because it's what the rest of us consider a "part-time" job, she can have a career in real estate.


Yeah, idk about that. those salaries you posted are probably administrators.

My wife has been a school teacher in California (top 4 highest paid states for teachers) for 23 years and just broke $100k 2 years ago.

I'll agree on the 6 hour work days and summers off though!! Must be nice haha
 

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My wife quit her teaching job to work a normal 9-5 job and now works WAY less...

Half the kids in my wife's 3rd grade class have an individualized teaching plan that has to be coordinated with all the other specialists. She had to evacuate her class again when one of the alphabet soup kids melted down, again. The school has to run a checklist and use a specialized blanket to wrap the kid up and haul him out. They usually wait for a cop to show up and do it. This has been a hard year for her, the lockdowns have ****ed up so many kids it's ridiculous.
 

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Half the kids in my wife's 3rd grade class have an individualized teaching plan that has to be coordinated with all the other specialists. She had to evacuate her class again when one of the alphabet soup kids melted down, again. The school has to run a checklist and use a specialized blanket to wrap the kid up and haul him out. They usually wait for a cop to show up and do it. This has been a hard year for her, the lockdowns have ****ed up so many kids it's ridiculous.

Why does your wife subject herself to that bullshit?
 

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you are absolutely right.

i processed payroll for public school districts for a long time.

regular k-12 teacher was 7 hrs per day, 10 months per year. average pay across the board was $100k... plus benefits and pension.

administrators were 12 months but their average salary was much higher.

granted, this was in a very expensive part of the country, but everytime i hear people say "poor" teachers are underpaid, i laugh.

I think it’s highly dependent on what part of the country. In NC my wife works 7:30-4:30 not including time at home spent planning future assignments. She makes 41k a year before taxes and insurance, not including money spent out of pocket for supplies for her classroom and students. She is only a 4th year teacher but even 20+ years won’t net anywhere near 100k, I think it tops at like 65k.

That being said, she doesn’t bitch about the pay though, she knows what she signed up for. She enjoys the job for the most part and enjoys summers spent with our boys.
 

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Half the kids in my wife's 3rd grade class have an individualized teaching plan that has to be coordinated with all the other specialists. She had to evacuate her class again when one of the alphabet soup kids melted down, again. The school has to run a checklist and use a specialized blanket to wrap the kid up and haul him out. They usually wait for a cop to show up and do it. This has been a hard year for her, the lockdowns have ****ed up so many kids it's ridiculous.
I have two children that are autistic. Both had IDP’s. in 12 years neither were ever removed from a classroom or caused a disruption. They were never wrapped in blankets or screamed or hit their teachers. They never used profanity. Please do not generalize any child who has a disability and IDP as Alphabet soup kids that are this massive distraction. Some kids do fit your description but some clearly do not.
 

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