Driveline/ Subframe connectors/ Suspension upgrades

[Vinnie_B]

"BMR rear suspension components with poly bushings are a worthy upgrade over stock components with rubber bushings"

Tires play a huge part in feeling better planted too



I had a stock 2011 and drove it 4 hours to the shop to drop it off.
I did all the cookie cutter rear end stuff and lowered it.
It was a very noticeable improvement on the way home, same road etc.

I have followed the same path with my 2013 and it's even better than my 2011 because I have the adjustable bilsteins.

I will never dive deeper into my suspension than the basics.
Straight line ax murderer's don't need handling.

There's other platforms out there, that would be better than a solid axle GT500 for that plush handling experience.

I agree with you! Tires are a major player but this widebody limits that option for me unfortunately. Im just trying to make our solid axle setups the best they can be......will never be as good as IRS i understand. Im love bitten by 2013-14 Shelby GT500 S197.......so im in it for whatever has to be done......PERIOD!! BTW.....Happy thanksgiving bro!!

 

[1Kona_Venom]

I agree with you! Tires are a major player but this widebody limits that option for me unfortunately. Im just trying to make our solid axle setups the best they can be......will never be as good as IRS i understand. Im love bitten by 2013-14 Shelby GT500 S197.......so im in it for whatever has to be done......PERIOD!! BTW.....Happy thanksgiving bro!!

Ever given thought to maybe keeping that SS as is?

Get another 13/14 and build a monster power and handling unit.

The 13/14s are the GOATS, and you really couldn't go wrong taking that approach. Plus you get another color to enjoy. You also, wouldnt be limited in certain areas.

And happy turkey day to you to.

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[Vinnie_B]

Ever given thought to maybe keeping that SS as is?

Get another 13/14 and build a monster power and handling unit.

The 13/14s are the GOATS, and you really couldn't go wrong taking that approach. Plus you get another color to enjoy. You also, wouldnt be limited in certain areas.

And happy turkey day to you to.

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Yes....I have hashed over every scenario. Trust me! Whether it's a original Shelby SS or Shelby GT500, modifying one from its original factory build is very risky and was shamed upon in the past. Have you seen what low mileage unmolested Shelby GT500'S are going for....70-85k. With that said i am willing to accept any consequences (Value depreciation) that comes with deviating from its original build. I wanted a Super Snake 1000. Time ran out on me to get the build done at SAi. I've decided to go ahead and finish my SS 1000 on my own with as many original parts SAI used. I'm mind set and locked in....the decision is made. My reason.....in the very very near future My friend our gas driven shelbys will be obsolete and relic from the past. Why not build your dream Shelby! I guess opinions will vary on the subject.

 

[Bad Company]

My reason.....in the very very near future My friend our gas driven shelbys will be obsolete and relic from the past. Why not build your dream Shelby! I guess opinions will vary on the subject.

Unfortunately I believe you maybe correct in this statement. California is mandating that all new cars sold after 2036 be electric, unfortunately my home state of Virginia's elected knuckleheads of governance decided to follow suit in CA's green autos. The liberal populace of this state this past election on Nov. 7th were more worried about losing the ability to have abortions versus the fact they won't be able to buy autos powered by gasoline or ethanal/gasoline. The democrats television advertisements in Virginia this election cycle were only about completely losing abortions rights, when the republicans were about limiting them to 15 weeks from the current 26 weeks. Unfortunately none of the real issues were addressed, such as changing the electric car mandate. I live in a rural area of Virginia in a county that is 512 square miles with a population of less than 45,000 with roughly 18,000 households where I'd be willing to bet that 70% of the households have at least 1 pickup truck. This county has grown very slowly in 50 years and the electrical grid to supply electricity hasn't changed much in that time. Where farms run on diesel fuel and gasoline equipment and trucks. I can't wait until the populace in these rural areas finally wake up to the fact when they want to buy a new 1/2 ton pickup truck that it will be electric. I have a feeling the car dealerships in West Virginia are going to enjoy a boon of out of state sales of new vehicles in a few years, because in 2026 Virginia mandates that 36% of all new vehicles sold will be electric. I can't wait until the electrical companies can't supply electricity to areas that haven't updated the power grids in decades

The electric cars are going to be great(sarcasm)

Unfortunately I think gasoline and ethanol will eventually be outlawed in the distant future, if the liberal knuckleheads keep listening to the scare tactics of the liberal elected knuckleheads that want to govern how we live. Hopefully I don't live long enough to deal with it. Socialism is the direction this country is headed, where the government tells me everything I can do, because it's for my own safety and health. We are giving up freedoms everyday. If it is wasn't for the founding fathers adding the second amendment guns would be outlawed already, given enough time and I think the liberal knuckleheads will tax the gun industry to the point of non-existence

Did you realize if you're rich enough that you can now own a car that doesn't meet any of our safety, emission or CAFE requirements right now. How? You import it as a show and exhibition only vehicle this allows you to purchase tags and drive it limited miles on our roads today. The very rich liberals made sure they will get to enjoy the gasoline powered cars into the future

Sorry for the rant.

Please do with your car as you wish, while you have the time and monies to enjoy it. Stifflers sub-frame is the same one SAI sold when I looked at it a number of years ago. I'm not sure that SAI still offers any parts for the S197 cars any longer. I just sold the SAI transmission crossmember used in the 1000 cars that I had a few weeks ago. That maybe a hard part to find after talking to the gentleman that bought it, he'd been looking for it for a few years.

 

[Bad Company]

Wow.....thanks for sharing on the kenny brown issues you experienced. I will definitely look into Cortex racing equipment as NVH is definitely a concern. I have the proper equipment Ford VCMM to test for NVH as I upgrade and will do a comparison to my base (Current setup) to the upgrades that are done. Thanks for sharing your experience and wealth of knowledge!!! Anyone local to looking wanting a NVH analysis done give me a holla!

Vinnie

CorTeX offers both street versions and race/track versions of their suspension upgrades. The Street version available today versus when I purchased the Track version has been highly updated to eliminate NVH. Instead of using polyurethane bushing CorTeX uses expensive Johnny Joints to eliminate NVH, while retaining the same freedom of movement as a spherical bearing to facilitate similar handling characteristics of the track versions. In the past I had a few people argue with me that CorTex copied the ideas from Griggs to build their suspensions. That was partly true, but it was done because CorTex was a selling Griggs dealer that got tired and aggravated of waiting for parts to complete builds. Filip is an engineer by trade with a love for road racing who built a business on building race cars. When he couldn't get parts he started making them. Then he took his engineering degree and went to work modifying the parts to come up with something that is now much better in my opinion.

 

[2011 gtcs]

Unfortunately I believe you maybe correct in this statement. California is mandating that all new cars sold after 2036 be electric, unfortunately my home state of Virginia's elected knuckleheads of governance decided to follow suit in CA's green autos. The liberal populace of this state this past election on Nov. 7th were more worried about losing the ability to have abortions versus the fact they won't be able to buy autos powered by gasoline or ethanal/gasoline. The democrats television advertisements in Virginia this election cycle were only about completely losing abortions rights, when the republicans were about limiting them to 15 weeks from the current 26 weeks. Unfortunately none of the real issues were addressed, such as changing the electric car mandate. I live in a rural area of Virginia in a county that is 512 square miles with a population of less than 45,000 with roughly 18,000 households where I'd be willing to bet that 70% of the households have at least 1 pickup truck. This county has grown very slowly in 50 years and the electrical grid to supply electricity hasn't changed much in that time. Where farms run on diesel fuel and gasoline equipment and trucks. I can't wait until the populace in these rural areas finally wake up to the fact when they want to buy a new 1/2 ton pickup truck that it will be electric. I have a feeling the car dealerships in West Virginia are going to enjoy a boon of out of state sales of new vehicles in a few years, because in 2026 Virginia mandates that 36% of all new vehicles sold will be electric. I can't wait until the electrical companies can't supply electricity to areas that haven't updated the power grids in decades

The electric cars are going to be great(sarcasm)

Unfortunately I think gasoline and ethanol will eventually be outlawed in the distant future, if the liberal knuckleheads keep listening to the scare tactics of the liberal elected knuckleheads that want to govern how we live. Hopefully I don't live long enough to deal with it. Socialism is the direction this country is headed, where the government tells me everything I can do, because it's for my own safety and health. We are giving up freedoms everyday. If it is wasn't for the founding fathers adding the second amendment guns would be outlawed already, given enough time and I think the liberal knuckleheads will tax the gun industry to the point of non-existence

Did you realize if you're rich enough that you can now own a car that doesn't meet any of our safety, emission or CAFE requirements right now. How? You import it as a show and exhibition only vehicle this allows you to purchase tags and drive it limited miles on our roads today. The very rich liberals made sure they will get to enjoy the gasoline powered cars into the future

Sorry for the rant.

Please do with your car as you wish, while you have the time and monies to enjoy it. Stifflers sub-frame is the same one SAI sold when I looked at it a number of years ago. I'm not sure that SAI still offers any parts for the S197 cars any longer. I just sold the SAI transmission crossmember used in the 1000 cars that I had a few weeks ago. That maybe a hard part to find after talking to the gentleman that bought it, he'd been looking for it for a few years.

You're spot on @Bad Company about the electric car stuff. We're definitely the last generation that will really enjoy this. I'm thankful I was able to own 4 GT500s and maybe I'll make it 5 one day lol. Now is the time to build your dream Shelby. Because parts are getting crazy rare. I've had a few people try and buy my Shelby1000 trans crossmember. I won't sell it lol.

 

[Vinnie_B]

Unfortunately I believe you maybe correct in this statement. California is mandating that all new cars sold after 2036 be electric, unfortunately my home state of Virginia's elected knuckleheads of governance decided to follow suit in CA's green autos. The liberal populace of this state this past election on Nov. 7th were more worried about losing the ability to have abortions versus the fact they won't be able to buy autos powered by gasoline or ethanal/gasoline. The democrats television advertisements in Virginia this election cycle were only about completely losing abortions rights, when the republicans were about limiting them to 15 weeks from the current 26 weeks. Unfortunately none of the real issues were addressed, such as changing the electric car mandate. I live in a rural area of Virginia in a county that is 512 square miles with a population of less than 45,000 with roughly 18,000 households where I'd be willing to bet that 70% of the households have at least 1 pickup truck. This county has grown very slowly in 50 years and the electrical grid to supply electricity hasn't changed much in that time. Where farms run on diesel fuel and gasoline equipment and trucks. I can't wait until the populace in these rural areas finally wake up to the fact when they want to buy a new 1/2 ton pickup truck that it will be electric. I have a feeling the car dealerships in West Virginia are going to enjoy a boon of out of state sales of new vehicles in a few years, because in 2026 Virginia mandates that 36% of all new vehicles sold will be electric. I can't wait until the electrical companies can't supply electricity to areas that haven't updated the power grids in decades

The electric cars are going to be great(sarcasm)

Unfortunately I think gasoline and ethanol will eventually be outlawed in the distant future, if the liberal knuckleheads keep listening to the scare tactics of the liberal elected knuckleheads that want to govern how we live. Hopefully I don't live long enough to deal with it. Socialism is the direction this country is headed, where the government tells me everything I can do, because it's for my own safety and health. We are giving up freedoms everyday. If it is wasn't for the founding fathers adding the second amendment guns would be outlawed already, given enough time and I think the liberal knuckleheads will tax the gun industry to the point of non-existence

Did you realize if you're rich enough that you can now own a car that doesn't meet any of our safety, emission or CAFE requirements right now. How? You import it as a show and exhibition only vehicle this allows you to purchase tags and drive it limited miles on our roads today. The very rich liberals made sure they will get to enjoy the gasoline powered cars into the future

Sorry for the rant.

Please do with your car as you wish, while you have the time and monies to enjoy it. Stifflers sub-frame is the same one SAI sold when I looked at it a number of years ago. I'm not sure that SAI still offers any parts for the S197 cars any longer. I just sold the SAI transmission crossmember used in the 1000 cars that I had a few weeks ago. That maybe a hard part to find after talking to the gentleman that bought it, he'd been looking for it for a few years.

I agree with you +100% brother. If the fake elected leaders who were put in place are still occupying our governance after 2024 election WE ARE DONE. We will be facing a much greater threat to our freedom of choice besides losing our beloved (Gas) cars and hobby. With that said.......we have little time to enjoy what we have now! Just live and enjoy!

Vinnie

CorTeX offers both street versions and race/track versions of their suspension upgrades. The Street version available today versus when I purchased the Track version has been highly updated to eliminate NVH. Instead of using polyurethane bushing CorTeX uses expensive Johnny Joints to eliminate NVH, while retaining the same freedom of movement as a spherical bearing to facilitate similar handling characteristics of the track versions. In the past I had a few people argue with me that CorTex copied the ideas from Griggs to build their suspensions. That was partly true, but it was done because CorTex was a selling Griggs dealer that got tired and aggravated of waiting for parts to complete builds. Filip is an engineer by trade with a love for road racing who built a business on building race cars. When he couldn't get parts he started making them. Then he took his engineering degree and went to work modifying the parts to come up with something that is now much better in my opinion.

I went to there website (Cortex Home | Cortex Racing) and checked out there products. They indeed do offer some quality components. I'll definitely keep my options open if the BMR equipment doesnt workout. I do have a brand new SAI billet transmission crossmember support as well. I will and do have the proper equipment to run some NVH analysis. SAI used all BMR equipment on the Super Snake and Shelby 1000 builds, thats why I chose them. Too keep the build with the original equipment that was used by SAI. I also realize that there are better alternative products that are available like cortex and others!! The car will mostly be used on the street but will on occassion see some oval and 1/4 mile track events. Alot of ppl misunderstand the Sheby SS and 1000'S. They were not originally built for drag racing. They were built for oval track racing. Once again. Thank you for your sharing and the recommendations.....

 

[1Kona_Venom]

Have you seen what low mileage unmolested Shelby GT500'S are going for....70-85k.

Lol, where are you shopping at?
$60k can net you a low mileage unit.
That's not gonna be a Grabber Blue one though

 

[Vinnie_B]

Lol, where are you shopping at?
$60k can net you a low mileage unit.
That's not gonna be a Grabber Blue one though

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2013-14 Shelby GT500'S Under 5K miles your gonna pay if you want one that is Like New...... unmolested! Depends on the mileage/color/options my friend.

 

[HPLouis]

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2013-14 Shelby GT500'S Under 5K miles your gonna pay if you want one that is Like New...... unmolested! Depends on the mileage/color/options my friend.

Nice!!! So this is how mine would look if I had black stripes. Even the miles are close (mine has 600 less).

 

[2011 gtcs]

@Vinnie_B I'd rather be broke and get this lol, but it's way over priced IMO

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[Vinnie_B]

@Vinnie_B I'd rather be broke and get this lol, but it's way over priced IMO

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I agree! I think that price could be alittle negotiable. It is a low mileage SS W/Widebody option. At the end of the SS build that widebody option cost 30k to get done at SAI. I HAVE ONLY ONE THING TO SAY @2011 gtcs LIFE IS SHORT....OUR HOBBY IS UNDER ATTACK. GET WHAT YOU REALLY WANT!!! There amazing shelby's!!

 

[Vinnie_B]

Got some parts in for the SS suspension build today and WE KICKED OHIO STATES ASS.....AGAIN!! It's a good day peeps.

 

[Vinnie_B]

Im Going with the best street/track Clutch that will complement the rest of the upgrades this fall (Shelby GT500 Twin Disc Clutch & Flywheel Kit - Mantic Clutch USA). Mantic's clutches are cream of the crop and rebuildable and upgradable and felt it was worthy to go into this suspension and driveline build. Better option than the shelby racing clutch that went into SS holeshot package. People were burning those clutches up left and right. The clutch was not intended for the street. Im gonna order the M88 rearend by Moser (Moser M88 8.8" Built to Order Rear End Package - Moser Engineering) 33 spline with Detroit Truetrac Differential like @SCGallo2 this spring. Got to upgrade from the C clips and I dont want to go with C clip eliminators so bolt in axles it is......as you can see the Moser 8.8 rearend is very stout to a factory 8.8. The last thing I ever want to experince is breaking an axle shaft and destroying my widebody.

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[Vinnie_B]

First time I ever used BMR suspension equipment. Im impressed with there products as its a really good quality upgrade for the stock suspension components thats will be mainly used on the street and some track time. Was alittle concerned with the additional weight of the subframe connectors and the tunnel brace. But after adding everything up and subtracting weight from the clutch upgrade I'll only be adding about 45lbs. I know I'll be adding alittle more weight with the Moser M88 rearend w/33 splines but the weight is right where it needs to be and hopefully I can approve upon 57/43 weight distribution for a better balance. More weight reduction (Rotational weight) planned for the SS as well. Hopefully all the rear suspension/driveline gets installed in april/may.

 

[Poisonous West]

First time I ever used BMR suspension equipment. Im impressed with there products as its a really good quality upgrade for the stock suspension components thats will be mainly used on the street and some track time. Was alittle concerned with the additional weight of the subframe connectors and the tunnel brace. But after adding everything up and subtracting weight from the clutch upgrade I'll only be adding about 45lbs. I know I'll be adding alittle more weight with the Moser M88 rearend w/33 splines but the weight is right where it needs to be and hopefully I can approve upon 57/43 weight distribution for a better balance. More weight reduction (Rotational weight) planned for the SS as well. Hopefully all the rear suspension/driveline gets installed in april/may.

HI Vinnie, what is the weight of the Mantic Twin Disc clutch assembly (NOT includes the throw-out bearing)?

I have the X-Clutch Triple Disc clutch assembly and it weight 44 lbs. - NOT includes the throw-out bearing.

FYI just the stock OEM GT500 steel flywheel alone weight in at 22 lbs. I am not sure the weight of the OEM GT500 clutch assembly.

 

[2011 gtcs]

HI Vinnie, what is the weight of the Mantic Twin Disc clutch assembly (NOT includes the throw-out bearing)?

I have the X-Clutch Triple Disc clutch assembly and it weight 44 lbs. - NOT includes the throw-out bearing.

FYI just the stock OEM GT500 steel flywheel alone weight in at 22 lbs. I am not sure the weight of the OEM GT500 clutch assembly.

The OE 13/14 Clutch assembly weighs 58 pounds

For comparison my Spec Super twin clutch weighs 38 pounds

 

[Vinnie_B]

HI Vinnie, what is the weight of the Mantic Twin Disc clutch assembly (NOT includes the throw-out bearing)?

I have the X-Clutch Triple Disc clutch assembly and it weight 44 lbs. - NOT includes the throw-out bearing.

FYI just the stock OEM GT500 steel flywheel alone weight in at 22 lbs. I am not sure the weight of the OEM GT500 clutch assembly.

The Mantic Twin disk clutch assemble weighs 38lbs minus throwout bearing (Flywheel only weighs 14lbs.). I went with the Mantic for 2 reasons. 1. Its a high quality all billet clutch assemble (Didnt want a stamped one due to flex at high rpms) and Its streetable and trackable 2. Its rebuildable and upgradable to triple/or quad disk assembly. When the motor gets built im aiming for a max of 1200 RWHP so a triple disk will be required. I just hope that the new Moser M88 8.8 rearend can holdup in that power range.

The OE 13/14 Clutch assembly weighs 58 pounds
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For comparison my Spec Super twin clutch weighs 38 pounds
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Thanks for the comfirmation on the stock OEM clutch assembly @2011 gtcs . I heard it was around 60lbs.



*** Anyone interested in a Mantic Clutch let me know as i spoke with them to try and get a discount for SVTP members***

 

[SCGallo2]

I went with the Mantic for 2 reasons. 1. Its a high quality all billet clutch assemble (Didnt want a stamped one due to flex at high rpms) and Its streetable and trackable 2. Its rebuildable and upgradable to triple/or quad disk assembly. When the motor gets built im aiming for a max of 1200 RWHP so a triple disk will be required.

Is measuring and shimming of the Slave Cylinder required during installation with the Mantic clutch assembly?

To keep things simple, I have rebuilt and stayed with a Spec Super Twin SS because it is manufactured bolt-in ready, and my clutch pedal feel and engagement point is right where I feel it should be. If I ever need to perform clutch work again, I may try a CenterForce DYAD DS based on positive reviews of holding power with good street manners, but my goals are less than 1000 RWHP.

 

[Vinnie_B]

Is measuring and shimming of the Slave Cylinder required during installation with the Mantic clutch assembly?

To keep things simple, I have rebuilt and stayed with a Spec Super Twin SS because it is manufactured bolt-in ready, and my clutch pedal feel and engagement point is right where I feel it should be. If I ever need to perform clutch work again, I may try a CenterForce DYAD DS based on positive reviews of holding power with good street manners, but my goals are less than 1000 RWHP.

I was actually going to go with CenterForce DYAD DS. Ive read mixed reviews and decided based upon my statements above and my reasoning for going with Mantic. Im not doing any of the install work. Watson Racing is going to do the build. Below are some video's of Mantic's Twin Disc Clutch assembly/installation.