It has the Electronics Pack. If they do another comparo against the ZL1 1LE, they should get a base R to be fair.
GT350R wins vs ZL1 in M/T & KBB h2h's.
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It has the Electronics Pack. If they do another comparo against the ZL1 1LE, they should get a base R to be fair.
Are the new F1's available yet for consumers or testing?
I heard Goodyear took something like 4 years to developed. They are supposed to be comparable to the cup 2 in grip on the new zl1 and comparable to the trofeo for the zl1 1le. I don't believe gm would have signed off if they were not close.
Yes tires make a huge difference. These f1 tires are not the same as the ones that came on the 2013/14 gt500.
Do you really think gm would settle for slower tire?
"Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar tires with a compound and construction developed exclusively for the Camaro to offer exceptional grip on the track"
Read more: http://gmauthority.com/blog/gm/chevrolet/camaro/2017-camaro/2017-camaro-zl1/#ixzz4jnnfte1D
"with new Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar 3R tires that deliver max lateral grip of 1.10g."
http://media.chevrolet.com/media/us...ages/news/us/en/2017/may/0517-camaro-zl1.html
Remember this is the gm that cheats at the ring for pure marketing halo laps.
"Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar tires with a compound and construction developed exclusively for the Camaro to offer exceptional grip on the track"
Read more: http://gmauthority.com/blog/gm/chevrolet/camaro/2017-camaro/2017-camaro-zl1/#ixzz4jnnfte1D
"with new Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar 3R tires that deliver max lateral grip of 1.10g."
http://media.chevrolet.com/media/us...ages/news/us/en/2017/may/0517-camaro-zl1.html
Remember this is the gm that cheats at the ring for pure marketing halo laps.
Goodyear has indeed worked hard to catch up to Michelin in this case. You're right Zyborg about the wheel advantage of the R model. How much of that translates into reduced lap times...hard to tell as the ZL1 has some pretty well done wheels too.
Even the lightest R you can order should get trounced by the ZL1 1LE.
Even the lightest R you can order should get trounced by the ZL1 1LE.
For a few laps yes. It does have much better power to weight. It be fun to see lap times on lap 20 though....can we drivers race?
I'm confident that GM has done this one right in terms of cooling and severe duty. It is Ford that needs to follow suit and never, ever, sell "coolerless" models such as the GT350 Base/Tech cars in '15/'16 (yes Virginia, they did at least have an oil cooler).
The 2017 zl1 Goodyear g2's are a 220tw tire...
The gt350r is on a ~40-60tw tire (*180), and the gt350 is on a *300tw tire.
Iirc, the 1le ss is on a 200tw tire.
Edit: Wow I'm either way off or tire rack is. I guess the pilot sport cup 2's on the gt350r are allegedly a 180tw. The comparison with the z28 is epic now in my mind. If the gt350r was that much faster with a 180tw tire vs the 60tw trofeo's...
Which Michelin pilot has like 60tw? I thought that was the tire on the gt350r.
The gt350r is on a ~40-60tw tire (*180), and the gt350 is on a *300tw tire.
Iirc, the 1le ss is on a 200tw tire.
Edit: Wow I'm either way off or tire rack is. I guess the pilot sport cup 2's on the gt350r are allegedly a 180tw. The comparison with the z28 is epic now in my mind. If the gt350r was that much faster with a 180tw tire vs the 60tw trofeo's...
Which Michelin pilot has like 60tw? I thought that was the tire on the gt350r.
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Can we smell desperation?
Lol
You cant compare TW across manufactures sir. That data means little, if anything.
Like they did with the c7z?
And why does Porsche still use N/A GT3RS power for their ultimate track beast?
Tread wear does not equal grip. There is also no universal tread wear calculation. All manufacturer use their own formula.
In saying that, the trofeo r are over a second faster than the cup 2 on track.
True TW means only approximate wear that is gauged differently per manufacturer.
Desperation no. I was not the one who put a blower on a track car.
ON D BIT, I'd have had zero issue if the GT350 came with a motor similar to the '13/'14 5.8L in the GT500. Oh my GOD what a track monster it would have been. And no doubt it would have needed additional cooling attention similar to the ZL1/1LE cars. So to be fair, hey, if GM uses a similar formula then more power to them if they can make the combination work. And it sure as heck looks like they did.
Notice how you say that and mention nothing about how the Rs cup2 are over a second faster than ZL1 F1s.
According to who? Have they been tested? Im speaking of the F1 G3 on the 17 ZL1 not the G2's.
Yes the G2's are slower than the cup 2. But that's not what the new zl1's are wearing.
Tob, have you seen continuous lap times from the zl1. I have not. I do know as Ford stated they lost no more than 3% in lap time over 24 hours of continuous racingin the R. If gm could even stay at 5% of their top lap times I'd be impressed.
If you thing the F1s are better than Michellin's Cup 2s, I got some ocean front property for sale in WY for you!
Also, in regards to cup2s and trofeos, you do realize that Jamal himself said that they (Ford's engineers) specifically picked that tire as they "believe its the best street legal track tire in the world".... not GMs fault that Ford picked what they picked.
Yes Jamal said the picked the cup 2 because they gave them the best overall tire with performance wear and rain driving. The cup 2 are a great tire.
The Trofeo are significantly faster though. Multiple reports 1-2 seconds faster on 2 min tracks.
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The Trofeo are significantly faster though. Multiple reports 1-2 seconds faster on 2 min tracks.
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I've tried all 3. The Trofeo R are by far the fastest and have the shortest lifespan. I found that they were almost 2 seconds a lap faster at Calabogie than the MPSC2 and PSC. So far I find the MPSC2 just as quick as the PSC will much better lifespan. I like the Trofeo but its hard to justify the prices. The MPSC2 is also by far the best in the wet.
In your case i'm pretty confident the Trofeo will be faster than the PSC.
Goodyear just spent 3 to 4 years in creating their new F1 tires. The tires they benchmarked, G3 - Cup 2 and 3R - PTR.
If you have test results from these new tires let's see them.
If you have test results from these new tires let's see them.
According to a review on Tire Rack:
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Goodyear&tireModel=Eagle+F1+Supercar+3
Tires usually do make a huge difference in a car's performance, but I think it's being overstated in this case. The MPSC2 has been on the market for a long time. Goodyear's F1 Supercar 3 tire is brand new. No doubt it has more modern materials, technology and construction. It might very well be nearly or just as good as the MPSC2.
So can we put the tire debate to bed and focus on the many other aspects of these two cars that would put them so close to each other?
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Goodyear&tireModel=Eagle+F1+Supercar+3
Tire Rack Owner Review said:
Tires usually do make a huge difference in a car's performance, but I think it's being overstated in this case. The MPSC2 has been on the market for a long time. Goodyear's F1 Supercar 3 tire is brand new. No doubt it has more modern materials, technology and construction. It might very well be nearly or just as good as the MPSC2.
So can we put the tire debate to bed and focus on the many other aspects of these two cars that would put them so close to each other?
So the tire size difference, car weight, and power difference do not matter. As power, weight, and tire sizes changes (width/sidewall) the more the impact the tire will have. I am correct in this assumption???
We need another tire comparison like MT did a while back to compare the two.
We need another tire comparison like MT did a while back to compare the two.
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