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[Jmurrz]

I finally got the chance to shoot my Glock 29. The sights are off big time (no, it is not me) so I think I want to replace them. Anyone have recommendations? It is primarily a HD gun but will be used for CC too.

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[MarcSpaz]

I finally got the chance to shoot my Glock 29. The sights are off big time (no, it is not me) so I think I want to replace them. Anyone have recommendations? It is primarily a HD gun but will be used for CC too.

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I know this is going to sound strange, and there's a good possibility you won't believe me, but I'm going to tell you anyway. I've owned 3 Glocks in The Last 5 Years. Every single one of them shot low and to the left for the first for 500 rounds. And when I say low and to the left, I mean at 7 yards, while aiming at the bullseye, they were six inches left and a foot low.

Every single one of them the more I shot it the more the point of impact came up and in to the point of aim. I also had two different SIGs that did the exact same thing.

My advice, before pushing the sites around, I would buy six or eight boxes ammo, just really cheap range ammo, and don't even bother aiming. Just go shoot up the range and just burn through the pipe make it hot and break it in.

If you send 400 rounds through it and it's still not shooting right then I would say that there's probably something wrong with the sight alignment. Brand new out-of-the-box with nothing but a test fire from the manufacturer, I think what you're experiencing is perfectly normal.

Edit: I am a fan of the Trijicon tritium night sights. I put them on all my pistols.

 

[Jmurrz]

I know this is going to sound strange, and there's a good possibility you won't believe me, but I'm going to tell you anyway. I've owned 3 Glocks in The Last 5 Years. Every single one of them shot low and to the left for the first for 500 rounds. And when I say low and to the left, I mean at 7 yards, while aiming at the bullseye, they were six inches left and a foot low.

Every single one of them the more I shot it the more the point of impact came up and in to the point of aim. I also had two different SIGs that did the exact same thing.

My advice, before pushing the sites around, I would buy six or eight boxes ammo, just really cheap range ammo, and don't even bother aiming. Just go shoot up the range and just burn through the pipe make it hot and break it in.

If you send 400 rounds through it and it's still not shooting right then I would say that there's probably something wrong with the sight alignment. Brand new out-of-the-box with nothing but a test fire from the manufacturer, I think what you're experiencing is perfectly normal.

It does not sound so strange because that is exactly what is happening. From around 15 yards I was stacking shots just about 4-5" low and 6" left. The grouping was excellent but really far off the mark. I was looking into it and people are blaming the shooter not the gun. I had my buddy who owns a few Glocks shoot it and he was getting the same results as I was. Then we both shot his 19 and had no issues staying on target.

That would suck because there is no "cheap" 10mm. I hope I don't have to run 400 rounds through it just to get it to act right. I wonder what could cause them to shoot that way.

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[OETKB]

I would love to do something like that... being a disable fat guy makes stuff like that pretty tough though. I likely wouldn't make it through a whole day on either day.

The price is pretty good. I took some defensive handgun classes as well as fighting rifle classes a few years back. It can be a great time and you can learn a lot. My son and friends are blown away at how fast and accurate I am on a draw against an edge timer.

Yep. I always take a lawn chair, lol. Just standing around for a three hour match wears me out, especially in the sun.

Somebody once asked about how much time we shoot at matches. I loved the answer.
Drive in: 30 minutes depending on location
Sign in: 30 minutes
Safety Brief: 15 minutes
Stage brief, each stage: 5-10 minutes
Stand around BSing about guns and the properties of guns: Two hours
Shooting guns: One minute, 5 seconds

 

[MarcSpaz]

It does not sound so strange because that is exactly what is happening. From around 15 yards I was stacking shots just about 4-5" low and 6" left. The grouping was excellent but really far off the mark. I was looking into it and people are blaming the shooter not the gun. I had my buddy who owns a few Glocks shoot it and he was getting the same results as I was. Then we both shot his 19 and had no issues staying on target.

That would suck because there is no "cheap" 10mm. I hope I don't have to run 400 rounds through it just to get it to act right. I wonder what could cause them to shoot that way.

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Yeah 10mm not cheap for sure. I was practically crying when I had to do it with my 40 cal.

If I was going to guess as to why it is what it is, I think it's just the way the barrels wear in. I think there's a predictable amount of wear that initially occurs. It may have something to do with plating or machining the barrel. So they zero the weapon for where they know the bullets will eventually hit.

I went through the same thing with my very first Glock 17. It was shooting low and left and I thought for sure it was me. I'll let a buddy of mine try it and it was working great just not going where he was aiming. I got on his 45, and I was hitting bull's-eyes like a champ. So we just figured it was the weapon.

We were hanging out all day, so I figured I'd just keep sending rounds through it and I would adjust my point of aim... tinking I was going to get the sights fixed later on in the week. Once I put about 200 rounds through it I started to notice that the point of impact was coming closer and closer to the point of aim. So I intentionally ran another 200 rounds through it and by the time I was done with that 400 rounds I was almost perfectly Dead on.

So with all my other Glocks and my two SIGs, when they were shooting low left out of the box I decided to just run ammo through them until they were hitting the target where I was aiming. The shity part is the cost between $160 and $180 a handgun to make it happen.

 

[Brutal Metal]

^^^ Guys let me share an epiphany I had at the range today....

I as well have been blaming the handgun for my inaccuracy and it wasn't the real issue. When I bought my first one 9 months ago I reverted back to the sight picture I used in archery as a kid (left eye dominate with right eye closed). For months my accuracy sucked (a few inches low left) with this method but I didn't think anything about it being the problem. I asked my friend Rob Wells his opinion he knew I was a righty so he asked which eye I aimed with I said left. He said try focusing the front sight with your right eye. Best advice ever night and day difference. SO I need to edit all those comments I made about the S&W Shield. THE GUN IS ACCURATE AS A MOFO! haha!

 

[Jmurrz]

So.. I am impulsive and my local gun shop was having a sale so I ended up getting truglo tfo's put on today. Maybe it won't help the accuracy problem, but it can't hurt. So far I love the sights.

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[Brutal Metal]

thanks for the "Like" jmurrz, I shared this because who knows maybe other right handed shooters are using the left eye dominate method. It was terrible for me. I never did any research on this, I always blamed it on incorrect grip, flinching, too much or not enough finger on trigger etc... BUT it was eye aim. Just figured this out today at the range and I'm very optimistic for my future accuracy potential.

 

[Brutal Metal]

So.. I am impulsive and my local gun shop was having a sale so I ended up getting truglo tfo's put on today. Maybe it won't help the accuracy problem, but it can't hurt. So far I love the sights. View attachment 1442015View attachment 1442016View attachment 1442017

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That's NICE!

 

[Brutal Metal]

This was my first three 7 round clips from the Shield today.

 

[MarcSpaz]

^^^ Guys let me share an epiphany I had at the range today....

I as well have been blaming the handgun for my inaccuracy and it wasn't the real issue. When I bought my first one 9 months ago I reverted back to the sight picture I used in archery as a kid (left eye dominate with right eye closed). For months my accuracy sucked (a few inches low left) with this method but I didn't think anything about it being the problem. I asked my friend Rob Wells his opinion he knew I was a righty so he asked which eye I aimed with I said left. He said try focusing the front sight with your right eye. Best advice ever night and day difference. SO I need to edit all those comments I made about the S&W Shield. THE GUN IS ACCURATE AS A MOFO! haha!

While I appreciate the advice, and I can't speak for everyone... but for me, I KNOW its not a problem with the shooter. I have been through extensive pistol training, specifically with an FBI combat pistol trainer for 2 years. I regularly train on 8x11 steel targets at 100 yards and regularly and consistently compete with my friends (guys I train with) by shooting golf balls at 100 yards with our pistols.

I have owned well over 50 pistols over the last 35 years. The issue I mentioned has only been an issue with all of my Gen 4 G17's and both of my SIG P226 pistols (9mm and 40 S&W). It's got something to do with manufacturing and break-in... at least in my cases.

The basic method is booth eyes open, bring the weapon up to your eye level (don't lean into it), sight picture in front of the dominant eye. You focus is on the front post with the rear sight and the target being slightly out of focus (because you are looking at the front post). Depending on the type of sight picture (6 low, tactical, POA/POI, etc) if you practice enough, it turns into muscle memory.

BTW... you need to learn/practice shooting with booth eyes open. It is required for best case visual situational awareness in defense situations, as well as proper depth perception. If you can properly range the distance of the target, you're not going to hit it.

 

[Brutal Metal]

^ I'm what I'd consider a novice my post wasn't to give experts advice, just to give an account of a change I made... And YES experts on another forum tonight told me to keep both eyes open, I don't feel comfortable with that yet. I improved yesterday by making that change and I'm gonna roll with it next time at the range.

 

[OETKB]

This was my first three 7 round clips from the Shield today.
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magazines
somebody had to say it.
And agreed, by all accounts the Shield is a great shooter for everyone I know who has one.

 

[MarcSpaz]

^ I'm what I'd consider a novice my post wasn't to give experts advice, just to give an account of a change I made... And YES experts on another forum tonight told me to keep both eyes open, I don't feel comfortable with that yet. I improved yesterday by making that change and I'm gonna roll with it next time at the range.

I took your post as nothing more than you trying to help, along with sharing a positive experience that you had. If I came across too stiff or offencive I apologize.

I was just trying to point out that in my case it was extremely unlikely that my weapons early performance was due to human error. Also I was trying to provide a few tips myself to help improve your technique.

For what it's worth, it took me a long time to learn how to shoot with both eyes open. It definitely takes some getting used to.

 

[OETKB]

This is posted locally in NC/SC gun forums, but I figure I'd mention here. A good friend of mine has worked with both the trainers below and is organizing this.

Testing the waters to see if there would be interest in doing a 2 day Ken Hackathorn-Larry Vickers Advanced Handgun class at Anthill Range near Southport, NC in late winter or early spring 2018. Will also include a low light portion Saturday night. Cost would be $550.

approx. 1,200 rounds

If interested, shoot me a PM and I'll keep you posted.

https://www.aztectrainingservices.com/ken-hackathorn

https://www.aztectrainingservices.com/larry-vickers

Looks like the location is going to be moved to a range near Newton Grove, or New Hill, NC. I 'll post when we get some better confirmation.

 

[Equalbracket]

While I appreciate the advice, and I can't speak for everyone... but for me, I KNOW its not a problem with the shooter. I have been through extensive pistol training, specifically with an FBI combat pistol trainer for 2 years. I regularly train on 8x11 steel targets at 100 yards and regularly and consistently compete with my friends (guys I train with) by shooting golf balls at 100 yards with our pistols.

I have owned well over 50 pistols over the last 35 years. The issue I mentioned has only been an issue with all of my Gen 4 G17's and both of my SIG P226 pistols (9mm and 40 S&W). It's got something to do with manufacturing and break-in... at least in my cases.

The basic method is booth eyes open, bring the weapon up to your eye level (don't lean into it), sight picture in front of the dominant eye. You focus is on the front post with the rear sight and the target being slightly out of focus (because you are looking at the front post). Depending on the type of sight picture (6 low, tactical, POA/POI, etc) if you practice enough, it turns into muscle memory.

BTW... you need to learn/practice shooting with booth eyes open. It is required for best case visual situational awareness in defense situations, as well as proper depth perception. If you can properly range the distance of the target, you're not going to hit it.

Hearing that makes me feel better, I have similar problems with my g17 and p226, neither have ever felt right. Picked up a 4th gen 34 and its rather large its nice and I love the weight, but my favorite pistols are all H@K's. My USP 9 is fairly hefty but its my absolute favorite gun to shoot.

For conceal carry its usually a Kimber solo carry, or Beretta tomcat

 

[OETKB]

... Picked up a 4th gen 34 and its rather large its nice and I love the weight, but ...

I carry a G43, G19, and shoot a G17 for matches. I figured if those are all good, a G34 would be even better. All 9mm and all the same platform. I can't shoot the dang thing and sold it.

 

[SVTPete83]

My wife just converted her DE to an.50ae. She shot it pretty well last night too! Pretty awesome gun!

9mm on the left. 44 mag in the middle. .50 ae on the right.


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[Gravik]

Good deal on an ar pistol. Comes with red dot, flip up sights, 10 pmags

http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-...phate-m-lok-classic-sob-pistol-516447173.html

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