Let me tell it

[DSG2003SVT]

On E85, I'm sure we'll see some EB Mustangs comfortably over 400wtq. It won't be a boring car for sure.

I wish we had some more e85 on my side of Dallas! I finally got one station 15 minutes away, so I bought injectors and am going to get Shaun to tune me for it. Cheap race gas. I wish I could get the kind of gains the DI turbo motors get from it, but having consistent power and no detonation is enough for me to spend the money on injectors and a tune.

 

[black92]

It's not going to gain 100whp with a tune only, nor will it rev out to 7k. If it follows suit with the 2.0 Ecoboost, it won't even gain 100whp with a tune and full bolt ons. Sorry, it's just not going to happen.

Check out post #9 if you haven't already: http://www.svtperformance.com/forum...ook-Delivery-of-our-15-EcoBoost-Mustang-today!

 

[DSG2003SVT]

That's not at all what I expected. Looks like I've spoken too soon. Lol

I'll reserve final judgement until we see multiple results from multiple parties, but that looks awesome.

 

[Ninjak]

The EB Stang will be a interesting car for sure. Remember, that engine is built for boost. So a lot of forged, toughen parts in there. I would not be surprised to see a tuned, modded EB run with a few N/A modded cars. I have seen tricked SRT 4's and the newer Genesis turbo's run hard against some cars.

The EB just hit. It will not be long until the tuners figure out what works.

 

[gimmie11s]

does anyone know the size of the stock turbo? That is all that matters with regards to a max effort bolt on EB mustang. It all boils down to what the turbo will support.

There are 4 cylinder factory turbo cars that will go 400+ whp with a tune and bolt ons.... think EVO.

If the turbo is large enough, a max effort bolt on EB stang will be a threat to mild bolt on 5.0.

 

[Voltwings]

The Evo x turbo flows about 48 lbs/min, which is very comparable to a Garrett GT3071. The car will put down ~400 AWHP with the stock turbo, which is pretty astounding, but in order to make up for the low end they use a 4.56 gear... Based on the couple of stock turbo cars i have played with, i expect this turbo to be comfortably mid to high 30s as far as lb/min goes, and the (very) rough estimation is about 10 whp per lb/min. Obviously the turbo can be over spun, then you'll get some extra power here and there from timing, compression and the motor itself, but i see mid to high 300s being very doable.

 

[13 RaceRed 5.0]

the EB. will beat the 5.0 in a year or less tune for tune in the 1/4 5.0NA ONLYop:
Look at what the gn can do

ROB

Sorry, but I never got the "Tuned vehicle X could beat stock vehicle Y" argument. lol

 

[GNSNAKE]

tune for tune the EB will win:read:

 

[DSG2003SVT]

tune for tune the EB will win:read:

I think that will be a toss up. Auto GTs can crack 11s with a tune and tires too.

 

[Voltwings]

The fact its even a race though is impressive.

 

[Budwise]

Which of the two motors would last longer though? I'd bet on the 5.0 all day over a boosted application that has been cranked up.

 

[nycarpenter]

the EB. will beat the 5.0 in a year or less tune for tune in the 1/4 5.0NA ONLYop:
Look at what the gn can do


ROB

The real question is what will an EB sell for in a year? My guess is you lose your shirt.

 

[blackbeast12]

Your nuts, maybe if you add a bigger turbo tune e-85 and exhaust. But how many guys just leave their coyotes alone? Not many!

 

[jleews6]

I haven't seen anybody say anything about average power. Im not saying one will be faster than the other but the automatic EB is going to be quick with just small mods and tires. You will be able to leave the line with full boost with the automatic and I think that will be tough to beat. Anybody that has owned a Grand National will know what Im talking about.
It wont be long and we will be seeing a tune,tires and a few small mods EB running in the 11s.

 

[superblur]

I haven't seen anybody say anything about average power. Im not saying one will be faster than the other but the automatic EB is going to be quick with just small mods and tires. You will be able to leave the line with full boost with the automatic and I think that will be tough to beat. Anybody that has owned a Grand National will know what Im talking about.
It wont be long and we will be seeing a tune,tires and a few small mods EB running in the 11s.

Already there lol...

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Livernois-Motorsports-Engineering/243274389058264

 

[DSG2003SVT]

Already there lol...

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Livernois-Motorsports-Engineering/243274389058264

Holy crap!!

 

[faztcobra]

Damn, gettin after it.

 

[gimmie11s]

Already there lol...

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Livernois-Motorsports-Engineering/243274389058264

mph is a bit soft. there are stock 2011+ 5.0's with that kind of mph.

Not saying what Livernois accomplished is not impressive because it is but the stock turbo is probably getting in the way at this point.

curious how much boost on that run.

 

[Voltwings]

I can promise there is plenty left in that turbo, the stock exhaust (namely down pipe) is what's in the way at this point. The tiny ass intercooler likely isnt helping either. This car will be trapping high teens with bolt ons.

 

[gimmie11s]

Nonsense.

They removed the cat back section on that run.

There will be minimal gains from an IC upgrade. DP may help a bit but slam the full catback back on and those gains are minimized in this particular car.

If the thought process in the turbo design is anything like the f150 EB then the hot side is EXTREMELY restrictive and needs opened up.