And also slower than the Honda Civic Type R lolSixteen seconds slower per lap at VIR. Yeah, that was quite the benchmark.
And also slower than the Honda Civic Type R lolSixteen seconds slower per lap at VIR. Yeah, that was quite the benchmark.
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The type of comment one makes,.................when they run out of FACTS to back up their posts.
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The type of comment one makes,.................when they run out of FACTS to back up their posts.
Well, and a simple tune to unlock the limiter would grant it a higher top speed than the 13/14 if that is someone's greatest concernThe only metrics you provided that show the 13/14 is better than the 20's, is top speed that requires 3+miles to achieve and not having a gas guzzler tax. I never disputed the top speed, I merely stated it's a poor measure of performance because it takes 3 miles to achieve. If you honestly think the 2020 500 doesn't outperform the 13/14's in every other aspect you're delusional
Let's look @ the facts
2013 gt500
0-60= 3.5
1/4= 11.8
VIR lighting lap 3:00:6
2020 gt500
0-60=3.3
1/4= 10.7
VIR lightning lap 2:44:6
And I hated the solid rear because of the weird high speed twitchiness in the ass-end when going over bumps or dips in the road (or airstrip).
.The only metrics you provided that show the 13/14 is better than the 20's, is top speed that requires 3+miles to achieve and not having a gas guzzler tax. I never disputed the top speed, I merely stated it's a poor measure of performance because it takes 3 miles to achieve. If you honestly think the 2020 500 doesn't outperform the 13/14's in every other aspect you're delusional
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I see a trend here among 2020 owners:
On another site, a 2020 owner stated " 0 to 60 " was a " poor measure of performance ".
You state " top speed " is a " poor measure of performance ".
So if I mention MPG, you're apt to state that also is a " poor measure of performance "
How about price,............as an aspect ??
The '13/'14 GT500's were easily the best S197 chassis cars, period. But the '20 GT500 is in another league. And let's leave gas mileage as any sort of metric at the curb. With big power comes fuel consumption and if fuel economy is that important to you I'd suggest looking at an import or maybe even electric.
Brakes
No comparison. The radial mount six pot fronts on the '20 are a major improvement over those used in '13/'14 as are the rotors. Same goes for the rear.
Suspension
The '13/'14 electronic, 2 position Bilsteins were a step above previous dampers used in the S197 chassis but they were far from intelligent and more like an on/off switch. The mag dampers on the '20 GT500 are yet another major improvement over the older GT500. Much wider range and quicker to react.
The '20 has another advantage with its aluminum knuckle versus the previous car's iron spindle, extending the virtual ball joint center outboard of it's physical location. Also provides the radial mount location for the massive brakes. Out back, the IRS provides the expected gains in ride quality - especially on uneven surfaces. Suprising to solid axle only fans, the IRS in the 500 has proven to be pretty darn robust and handles shock loading very well.
Engine
I will always be a huge fan of the 5.8L engine in the '13/'14. The TR6060 was ready for duty behind it but shift quality suffered quite a bit at higher rpm's. The 5.2 in the newer car is on par, as it should be with some nice, modern advancements. I'm thankful for stainless short tube exhaust manifolds over the cast iron logs on the '13/'14 as well. The DCT...if quick shifting consistency is important to you the newer car does it with ease. The added weight sucks but at least the CG is low and it is located in the middle of the chassis.
Thermal management improvements are next level on the '20 as well. Having things like a removable rain tray under the 6sq/ft hood vent are right up an enthusiasts alley.
Aero
With added wickers, the giant hood vent, and either the swing spoiler or the GT4 inspired wing, this is where the '20 and the '13/'14 deviate. With a lot less aero, the '13/'14 simply doesn't have the same level of drag - or downforce. Then again, you don't have to have those items on a '20 but the speed limiter will stop a stock car from challenging the '13/'14 on a certain track on the other side of the world.
Interior/Electronics
Looks are subjective so I can see someone favoring anything old school. But if you want the more modern of the two the '20 clearly takes the cake here too.
Weight
Yes Virginia, the S550 GT500 is a phat pig. It can dance but it is still excessively obese. The older chassis wins out in this category.
Performance
Data-wise, the '20 wins in just about every category. The alleged 200mph speed of the '13/'14 was nice for Ford to advertise and to print on sales brochures but not a real world metric that anyone will use at a roadcourse or at a dragstrip. And with respect to those two categories there really is no comparison as to which car brings home the bacon - as it should be with some 6 years to improve.
Aesthetics
Purely subjective. Opinions run the gamut, as they well should.
And finally, Cost
The '13/'14 is a bargain. The '20 approaches the ridiculous (especially when its an optioned out CFTP car) but not in the context of some of the "supercars" it goes toe to toe with. And to be fair, everything is getting ridiculous, as we approach the end an era.
Personally, I like both cars. I always find a car I liked better than something I had previous and the '20 GT500 is no different. Ford is going to have to really shake things up somehow to leap over and above the '20.
There can be no argument which is better of the two LOL
But 200 mph top speed
Sluggish gears if you ask me. Most go 3.73 or 410. Those that fear gear never even go fast anyway.Yep,i luv the 331s in my car!!Stock king of speed for the SHELBYs are the 13-14!!
Sluggish gears if you ask me. Most go 3.73 or 410. Those that fear gear never even go fast anyway.