I think we can all agree that there are Amazing civilian AND Law Enforcement marksman as well as some that aren't so great!
San Antonio Theater Shooting
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i said that is what people are saying.. just hand guns to janitors and teachers.
i have been seeing people say it since the shooting.
i'm not assuming that's what they are saying...that IS what they're saying.
no matter how they get it, choosing or not, it's a dumb idea.
i can't believe anyone here wants more people to have guns.
too many on this site alone have arsenals and are crazy enough to actually believe they're going to be fighting our own government one day.
We may have to one day, remember we did it before. That's how we got here.
You'll find that police are 11 times more likely to kill innocent bystanders than ccw holders.
(Is this because they are involved in 11 times more shootings than civilians? No proof of anything here)
Similar studies have shown that ccw owners are less likely to miss and discharge their weapons less frequently (the latter is mentioned there) with fewer rounds fired.
(Probably because most ccw owners shootings are against 1 assailant at a time. Probably shoot less because they think one bullet stops the bad guys like I'm the movies, lol)
One of the reasons is that people that carry daily are generally enthusiasts and are more likely to be at the range in their spare time.
(Pretty sure every cop I've ever known carries daily, so????)
Many of the friends that I frequent the range with are police and I easily frequent the range 20x more.
(So because your cop friends go less than you everyone else does to?)
This summer I did two practicals a week plus whatever time I spent at the range goofing off with friends.
(Goofing off...enough said)
The result is the complete and utter destruction of these officer friends in competition.
(Targets don't shoot back, ever been in a real shoot out?)
By all standards they are terrible shots and the way they recount qualification sessions leads me to believe much of their department has trouble qualifying every year in what I consider menial firearm exercises.
(I suggest you find better friends then and go ahead and show them this thread too)
The old phrase that practice makes perfect applies here.
(Well, not sure what you do for a living, but you should quit and go teach the military, FBI, CIA, Secret Service and anybody else who issues firearms because you are clearly the best in the world)
(Is this because they are involved in 11 times more shootings than civilians? No proof of anything here)
Similar studies have shown that ccw owners are less likely to miss and discharge their weapons less frequently (the latter is mentioned there) with fewer rounds fired.
(Probably because most ccw owners shootings are against 1 assailant at a time. Probably shoot less because they think one bullet stops the bad guys like I'm the movies, lol)
One of the reasons is that people that carry daily are generally enthusiasts and are more likely to be at the range in their spare time.
(Pretty sure every cop I've ever known carries daily, so????)
Many of the friends that I frequent the range with are police and I easily frequent the range 20x more.
(So because your cop friends go less than you everyone else does to?)
This summer I did two practicals a week plus whatever time I spent at the range goofing off with friends.
(Goofing off...enough said)
The result is the complete and utter destruction of these officer friends in competition.
(Targets don't shoot back, ever been in a real shoot out?)
By all standards they are terrible shots and the way they recount qualification sessions leads me to believe much of their department has trouble qualifying every year in what I consider menial firearm exercises.
(I suggest you find better friends then and go ahead and show them this thread too)
The old phrase that practice makes perfect applies here.
(Well, not sure what you do for a living, but you should quit and go teach the military, FBI, CIA, Secret Service and anybody else who issues firearms because you are clearly the best in the world)
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We trust the lives of our children to these schools that we don't even trust with the capacity to actually protect them. That's the definition of insanity.
See above.
Fact is most shootings are within 7 yards, and most even closer than that. Even the worst cop I've ever worked with has hit the target consistently at that distance.
Somebody has left out the fact that we run into places that others are running out of. Don't give me how you would because unless you are doing it or have done it you don't know what you would do. If you aren't LEO/Military at one point then you probably don't know what I'm really talking about.
It's easy to speculate what you would do all day while sitting behind that desk and goofing off at the range, but signing on the dotted line and actually doing it is a completely different animal.
Somebody has left out the fact that we run into places that others are running out of. Don't give me how you would because unless you are doing it or have done it you don't know what you would do. If you aren't LEO/Military at one point then you probably don't know what I'm really talking about.
It's easy to speculate what you would do all day while sitting behind that desk and goofing off at the range, but signing on the dotted line and actually doing it is a completely different animal.
It wasn't huge news because the sandy story was just a couple days before and it's far better for "ratings" which is all the news people care about. Compare 20 children (5-6 years old) and 6 adults killed at a school vs. 1 lady and a guy shot by a cop. Stories like this happen a lot across the country but they are not sensational enough to trump something like the sandy tragedy.
I love the comments on that site. It's not some media cover-up, it's all about ratings. People need to remove the tin foil hat. Or at least loosen it up a little.
I love the comments on that site. It's not some media cover-up, it's all about ratings. People need to remove the tin foil hat. Or at least loosen it up a little.
I know LEOs who can shoot with the best and I know LEOs who have missed a deer laying right in front of them after being struck by a vehicle. The answer is simple... allow us to carry but require a lot of training. Anyone who takes it serious will put in the time and we will all be better off.
that's not bad, i wouldn't be against required annual training or something for CCW. while it would cost a few bucks annually of course, that would benefit everyone.
Here's the problem with people carrying and incidents like the theater shooting. Say you shot at the criminal and happen to hit or kill someone else. Your ass would get sued up and down. That's just the culture we have. Something has to be done about that part in my opinion.
Not to mention a source of revenue. The US of A could use some money right now...
This is not a problem, it is a known risk by carriers. If you shoot, miss the criminal, and hit an innocent bystander, then being sued is your last worry. You're going to be looking at homicide charges yourself.
This news is starting to spread like wildfire on facebook. I don't have FB anymore, but my fiance has counted more than 10 different instances of this being posted thus far.
Brainwash America.
If you weren't so full of yourself you might open yourself up to improvement. Those pitiful civilians you look down upon are actively improving their skill set and many are revolutionizing the way you do your job in the process. Some of those guys that sit behind desks all day get off work and lay waste to everyone else at the matches that your departments replicate for training. I do goof off at the range from time to time but in your rush to puff out your chest and assassinate my character you conveniently ignored my comments about competing and practicing to better my skills. I expected better from an officer.
You are right, our targets don't shoot back but neither do the targets you train with to prepare yourselves for the same exact situations so when you get your ass handed to you by some average Joe in the same training scenarios what does that say about your preparedness? Just because you are running into situations unarmed people are running away from doesn't make you God's gift to accuracy and performance. Similarly, simply being an officer doesn't make you God's gift to firearms.
In response to your comment about police being involved in more shooting thus having higher accidents: 11% of police shootings kill an innocent person vs 2% of ccw shootings. gunfacts.info.
I'm not God's gift to firearms either but at least I'm not fooling myself into thinking that I am which opens myself up to continued and accelerated improvement. I wish every officer, gun owner, and military member worked half as hard at perfecting their skills as the guys and girls that frequent USPSA matches. The world would be a better place if everyone were better and safer with their firearms.
I'm not spending any more of my time chasing down facts for someone who would rather be condescending and rude in return. My opinion is that police could benefit from better training and I support a skilled ccw society and that's the end of it.
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Never said I didn't support a skilled ccw population and never said I was full of myself; simply stated that regardless of the training at the range, that doesn't give you the unique mindset to actively seek out an active shooter and eliminate the threat.
As for your 2% and 11% numbers, (which are from 1994),could it be that ccw shootings are usually confined to very non populated situations as compared to where the law enforcement shootings happen?
I'm all for people having better training but was simply stating that to say ccw are generally more well trained than police officers is ridiculous. There are always exceptions to every rule.
Anyway, hope everyone keeps safe and has a great new year.
As for your 2% and 11% numbers, (which are from 1994),could it be that ccw shootings are usually confined to very non populated situations as compared to where the law enforcement shootings happen?
I'm all for people having better training but was simply stating that to say ccw are generally more well trained than police officers is ridiculous. There are always exceptions to every rule.
Anyway, hope everyone keeps safe and has a great new year.
In the end the only thing that will stop a bad man on a rampage with a gun is a good person with a gun willing to use it. I shoot 1000s of rounds thru my pistol and M4 that I carry for work. I get free and unlimited ammo to shoot and I take full advantage of it. But it still does not change the fact of anything. A person who really never shoots could just be there at the right place the wrong time and be able to save lives because they did have a gun. Say like the movie theater if I was sitting in the front row shooter comes in from the back do you honestly think I would get a clear shot at them. Slim chance unless everyone stays in there seat. So ok say someone that just has a pistol is in the back row he/or she has a chance but does hit 1 wrong person but kills the shooter. Ok yeah not really wanted but is that not better then who knows how many people losing their life because no one can defend anyone. Yep I do agree people who want to carry should be out there shooting to make sure there up on their weapon they are wanting to carry but even they can’t make it I would feel safer knowing my family has a fighting chance over just sitting there being a target and having go thru the feeling of they might be killed. And a lot of places you have to qualify on a curtain weapon you want on your CCW.
Now onto the gun ban who does it really pertain to and have an impact on. Everyone but that person sitting there thinking up the stupid law. I mean the people sitting there making the law up are all protected by people carrying guns. If they feel that no one should have guns why don’t they give up their body guards and the guns that they have them carry. I don’t think you will ever see that happen. Can’t remember her name is but banned being able to carry in her area but was caught herself carrying a concealed pistol. So why does she have the right to defend herself but the rest don’t? Situations like that have happened over and over all over the place. Another one a guy votes for the gun ban but shoots someone breaking into his own home. Yep sure looks like her is against guns right. My job is to protect most of these douche bags I have protected just about all the congress and senators up to Biden, Obama, Con Rice while she was still up there McCain you know it. So I get to meet most of them on a personal level and would like to beat half of them myself after having to listen to the views on how they feel things should be most of the time.
But hey if some people feel gun should be ban more power to them then don’t own one or carry one. But don’t look at someone who does when something happens to you or your family and be like oh why did they not help us. If you do believe in gun and carrying them thank you for being man enough to take that chance and willing to help if needed to.
Ok that is enough of my rant.
Now onto the gun ban who does it really pertain to and have an impact on. Everyone but that person sitting there thinking up the stupid law. I mean the people sitting there making the law up are all protected by people carrying guns. If they feel that no one should have guns why don’t they give up their body guards and the guns that they have them carry. I don’t think you will ever see that happen. Can’t remember her name is but banned being able to carry in her area but was caught herself carrying a concealed pistol. So why does she have the right to defend herself but the rest don’t? Situations like that have happened over and over all over the place. Another one a guy votes for the gun ban but shoots someone breaking into his own home. Yep sure looks like her is against guns right. My job is to protect most of these douche bags I have protected just about all the congress and senators up to Biden, Obama, Con Rice while she was still up there McCain you know it. So I get to meet most of them on a personal level and would like to beat half of them myself after having to listen to the views on how they feel things should be most of the time.
But hey if some people feel gun should be ban more power to them then don’t own one or carry one. But don’t look at someone who does when something happens to you or your family and be like oh why did they not help us. If you do believe in gun and carrying them thank you for being man enough to take that chance and willing to help if needed to.
Ok that is enough of my rant.
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why don't you try linking some proven stats/facts to your statement here. it might make it appear somewhat more valid.
not just range training. but actual handling qualification, and scenario training on an actual situation course.
i'd be all for this.
in fact, I'm of the opinion it should be a year long course for high school seniors. of course under controlled environments with professionals.
Get out of here with your facts. 
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