Where is the actual data on the revision motor wise on the Gen 2 from 17/18 to the 19/20. I cant seem to find actual data on the changes between the 2. Other than the improved shocks.
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Where is the actual data on the revision motor wise on the Gen 2 from 17/18 to the 19/20. I cant seem to find actual data on the changes between the 2. Other than the improved shocks.
Really? Stating that in 17/18 the majority of dealers were adding ADM and that turned people off is somehow saying your friends couldn't afford the truck? **** man I was one of them. It took 15 months to find a dealer that did MSRP (not playing that ADM BS) and had an allocation before I got my truck. People don't want to wait and the ADM game turns people off IIRC @Blk04L was considering getting a Gen 2 but in FL the ADM game was super dumb and he went with his second Gen 1 instead or at least he was considering a Gen 2. I almost bought a ZL1 because **** Ford and their allocation system.
Do I have to explicitly state that I know there are people that did not buy a Gen 2 because they wanted a V8? Here it is; I know there are people that don't want a Gen 2 because it is not a V8. Happy? This is despite the fact that the 3.5L outperforms the 6.2L. You can argue longevity all you want, but the cam phaser issue is not something that affects every Gen 2 and both Gen 1 and Gen 2 produced lemons.
As far as the oil pan from 17-mid 18 I don't know what to tell you other than mine is a metal pan and earlier builds were composite, ask @DriftwoodSVT about his. As far as the other stuff, you can go down the rabbit hole if you want.
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2019/MC-10162408-0001.pdf
Just one of the parts involved
Old HL3Z-6256-C - Genuine Ford Sprocket - Camshaft
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My wife and I have a standard size two car garage where we park her Toyota Venza and my Dodge Durango. You have to make sure to park correctly so the doors can open without dings or dents.
Question for the Raptor owners, can you park your truck in a standard size two car garage with another vehicle in there?
Due to the Raptor's size, it appears this would be next to impossible.
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Question for the Raptor owners, can you park your truck in a standard size two car garage with another vehicle in there?
Due to the Raptor's size, it appears this would be next to impossible.
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It's really not. 88 lbs for more than double the displacement isn't a huge amount.
My Raptor doesn't fit in my garage sadly. I thought of getting a s/cab just so it can fit inside but I went with the s/crew because I will be towing with an enclosed trailer
I think the 7.3L has a ton of potential. It's completely untapped from the factory. Look at the 7.3L Whipple article on this site. Over 700 HP/TQ when it's installed. Amazing.
I don't know which pan I had, but I never had any issues with it.
Pretty much. I even went around last year with the real intent to buy. Still was seeing 1-2k over MSRP from Miami to Vero+. And even the same dealership/salesman who has known our family since the late 80's still couldn't get the higher ups to budge(dealer went to a no haggle point of sale).
The only places that I could find online that were selling below MSRP for the truck I wanted were out of state or basically out of state in the Panhandle, which was tougher due to I had a trade in.
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Took me a while yo dig up the answers you the questions you had regarding the differences between the Gen 1 vs gen 2 standard ecoboost vs the raptor HO Ecoboost motors . I trying to not just post random BS like @ON D BIT but rather do research......that way if I'm wrong I can stand corrected and have a more informed opinion......
Gen 1 EcoBoost was based on the Duratec architecture. The Duratec was used primarily in FWD applications like the Taurus, Edge, Explorer, and Flex. It was also used by Mazda in many of their vehicles. It used a Direct Acting Mechanical Bucket (DAMB) valvetrain with one timing chain driving both intake cams and secondary chains to drive the exhaust cams.
To build the EcoBoost, Ford added direct injection, lowered the compression ratio, and replaced the rotating assembly with stronger components including a forged steel crank. They also added oil jets to cool the underside of the pistons. Gen 1 truck applications used Borg Warner K03 turbos.
Gen 2 was a clean sheet engine design and was engineered using lessons learned from Gen 1 as well as some features from the 2.7 Nano. Port fuel injection was added to supplement the direct injection, and the valvetrain is a lower friction roller follower system with hydraulic lash adjusters. Camshafts are hollow core to save weight. It uses 2 primary timing chains, one for each bank, which is more robust than one large chain. Turbos are still BW K03, but were upgraded with new Mar-M-247 alloy turbine wheels with a change in vane angle. Compression ratio was increased to 10.5:1.
The main HO differences are the turbochargers (internal), pistons (10.0:1 compression ratio), exhaust manifolds (cast stainless steel), and calibration.
So my theory is the upgraded parts from the HO ecoboost found weak points that were carried over from the normal gen 2 ecoboost thus causing Ford to revise them mid 2018. Since then there has not been the single engine issue that the 17 s and early 18 Raptors were played with.
As to your comment about the 88lbs weight difference not being a big deal in regards to the ecoboost vs the Godzilla....you are right its not that much but when you had a SC and IC and everything else I think that's when ( for me) it would be an issue. But I guess either way we look at it the next gen will be heavier wether its a 7.3L or 3.5L hybrid system .
I enjoy these debates
Took me a while yo dig up the answers you the questions you had regarding the differences between the Gen 1 vs gen 2 standard ecoboost vs the raptor HO Ecoboost motors . I trying to not just post random BS like @ON D BIT but rather do research......that way if I'm wrong I can stand corrected and have a more informed opinion......
Gen 1 EcoBoost was based on the Duratec architecture. The Duratec was used primarily in FWD applications like the Taurus, Edge, Explorer, and Flex. It was also used by Mazda in many of their vehicles. It used a Direct Acting Mechanical Bucket (DAMB) valvetrain with one timing chain driving both intake cams and secondary chains to drive the exhaust cams.
To build the EcoBoost, Ford added direct injection, lowered the compression ratio, and replaced the rotating assembly with stronger components including a forged steel crank. They also added oil jets to cool the underside of the pistons. Gen 1 truck applications used Borg Warner K03 turbos.
Gen 2 was a clean sheet engine design and was engineered using lessons learned from Gen 1 as well as some features from the 2.7 Nano. Port fuel injection was added to supplement the direct injection, and the valvetrain is a lower friction roller follower system with hydraulic lash adjusters. Camshafts are hollow core to save weight. It uses 2 primary timing chains, one for each bank, which is more robust than one large chain. Turbos are still BW K03, but were upgraded with new Mar-M-247 alloy turbine wheels with a change in vane angle. Compression ratio was increased to 10.5:1.
The main HO differences are the turbochargers (internal), pistons (10.0:1 compression ratio), exhaust manifolds (cast stainless steel), and calibration.
So my theory is the upgraded parts from the HO ecoboost found weak points that were carried over from the normal gen 2 ecoboost thus causing Ford to revise them mid 2018. Since then there has not been the single engine issue that the 17 s and early 18 Raptors were played with.
As to your comment about the 88lbs weight difference not being a big deal in regards to the ecoboost vs the Godzilla....you are right its not that much but when you had a SC and IC and everything else I think that's when ( for me) it would be an issue. But I guess either way we look at it the next gen will be heavier wether its a 7.3L or 3.5L hybrid system .
I enjoy these debates
Not a big Toyota fan, but love the color with the black grill and rims
I forgot I had a pic of my interior......did the one you test drove look like this??
Beautiful interior package. Is that yours?
I actually like the outgoing models, but the new version I think is ugly, the trail boss looks good but the rest look like shit, don’t get me started on the HD’s.
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Personally the GMC AT4 looks better to me
Yes that's mine. I really think it makes the interior "pop" and I also liked the fact that from say 20 Raptors I had seen at dealerships this was the only recaro package raptor so felt it to be slightly exclusive.
I understand why it's rare though, it's a almost 3k option and adds zero performance. But I like the blue stitching and the carbon fiber vents that go along with the blue alcantara seats.
I went back and checked the options. The truck I drove had black leather heated and cooled seats. I didn’t list Recaro as an option. I was off on my memory recall as well. One had an MSRP of 73,500ish and the other was 75k but not 77.
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