I agree sans the lower pulley. I want to see how the motor handles raised boost with the higher compression ratio on pump gas. You will be faster than 99% of the cars that you run into on the road. If an owner is going to run race gas and up the boost that's another story. Bottom line, the car is just sick with $1500 in simple bolt-ons.
Evolution GT500 goes boom?
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What a crock of "poor misunderstood me" BS.
You use your line of loving the GT500/Mustang more than any other while slinging underhanded diss's of said car, while doing everything in your power to convince all of us uneducated masses of how great the ZL1 is, in comparison.
By your own words and statements, if you actually buy a 2013 GT500, you will be the ultimate hypocrite because of how inferior you actually believe it to be (short of hp).
All of your "love that Mustang, best ponycar on earth" rhetoric is just to appease the masses who do not know you from other forums.
I'm not qualified to answer that. Knowing how I drive the car harder than most, yes. But that's me. There's plenty of success stories of high whp cars on stock blocks. Tuners like Jon wouldn't let the car leave if it wasn't safe in their opinion, but Jon can't control how the owner drives the car. I'd do everything I could to limit the heat. I'm on my third motor, you learn a thing or two after dropping some $ :lol1: Food for thought, when my stock motor went I was at 638whp on an MD1100 dyno. I figured if 750 was safe then I'd run run 100whp less knowing my driving style. The tune was from my local guy who is very good. L&M pulled the the tune and went over it with Jon. They determined the tune was safe. So what happened then? I was well under the "safe" whp limit and the tune was determined safe. Conclusion, too much boost for pump gas. I had the standard TVS upper/lower set-up with all the cooling mods you could throw at it. Shit breaks, some are luckier than others.
You seem to be very knowledgeable about this. Could you explain the driving habits that affect the long term longevity of these engines in your opinion? I am curious as to what changes you made in your driving style. What happened on your 638 rwhp motor, and what were you doing when you let go?
There's a lot more members hear with more knowledge than me. I can only speak to my experience and the other motors I saw saw first hand at L&M. I'm just honest and will tell people I beat the balls out of the car and what breaks. For my L&M motor, this time the tune is less aggressive and is pretty much in open loop above 1800rpm at 400 counts. The car was fine on the dyno and the drive from PA to NY. As soon as I got gas in NY the motor let go on the Avery first 4th gear pull. My stock motor popped a piston. I was running the car hard in cool weather and did pulls within 10 minutes of each other. I have a nice collection of pistons :lol1: on the stock block I was about 11.0-11.3 A/F 18* timing up to 6krpm. We dropped timing above 6k rpm for safety LOL.
An engine builder gave me an analogy once that I think is very appropriate when talking about what is "safe" and what isn't.
He said if you imagine bending a pencil like you did when you were in school. You can bend a pencil only so many times and it will finally break. When really depends on the pencil and how often you bend it.
Yeah it's a simple analogy, but very accurate IMO.
Asking what is "safe" is kind of like asking, "How long is a piece of string?"
Any power level outside of the stock configuration is a risk as the engine was designed to perform within those levels for xxx number of miles... which is the reason why warranties are voided when a car is modded.
So "safe" is a relative term. Safe to one person may not be to another.
Ultimately if you're not prepared to build/buy a new motor when you mod it then you may not want to mod it and keep your warranty.
Hell stock motors blow sometimes... just depends on the motor.
Does this mean that a CAI and a tune will blow your motor? HIGHLY unlikely, and YES there are plenty of "educated" guesses as to how much "x" motor can handle before it lets go.
But those are just that... a guess. An informed guess, but a guess. The truth is that modding your car is a calculated risk.
Of course no vendor is going to tell you that modding your car is a risk because they're in the business of modding cars.
The reason I have a GT500 engine in my '06 GT is because I was running a "perfectly safe" (and yes that's a quote from a vendor) power level with my Saleen blower and 4.6.
That "perfectly safe" setup caused me to spend over 10k on a new motor.
You guys should really check the BMC thread that Bull started because it's a very good look at what can cause these motors to fail. Yes it's for the pre-2013 motor, but it aint that large a difference if you think about it.
He said if you imagine bending a pencil like you did when you were in school. You can bend a pencil only so many times and it will finally break. When really depends on the pencil and how often you bend it.
Yeah it's a simple analogy, but very accurate IMO.
Asking what is "safe" is kind of like asking, "How long is a piece of string?"
Any power level outside of the stock configuration is a risk as the engine was designed to perform within those levels for xxx number of miles... which is the reason why warranties are voided when a car is modded.
So "safe" is a relative term. Safe to one person may not be to another.
Ultimately if you're not prepared to build/buy a new motor when you mod it then you may not want to mod it and keep your warranty.
Hell stock motors blow sometimes... just depends on the motor.
Does this mean that a CAI and a tune will blow your motor? HIGHLY unlikely, and YES there are plenty of "educated" guesses as to how much "x" motor can handle before it lets go.
But those are just that... a guess. An informed guess, but a guess. The truth is that modding your car is a calculated risk.
Of course no vendor is going to tell you that modding your car is a risk because they're in the business of modding cars.
The reason I have a GT500 engine in my '06 GT is because I was running a "perfectly safe" (and yes that's a quote from a vendor) power level with my Saleen blower and 4.6.
That "perfectly safe" setup caused me to spend over 10k on a new motor.
You guys should really check the BMC thread that Bull started because it's a very good look at what can cause these motors to fail. Yes it's for the pre-2013 motor, but it aint that large a difference if you think about it.
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Are you allowed to link us to that thread?
http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/svt-shelby-gt500-150/811855-bmc-blown-motor-club.html I had asked for who tuned the car to be omitted. This was to avoid a pissing match of who's tuner is better.
I actually applaud Evolution and performance shops like them.
They take these cars to their "limits" and by doing so, a motor is going to pop here and there. They are doing the R & D, so the average Joes like us that don't own a performance shop can mod our cars relatively "save" vs. popping a motor like they did.
They take these cars to their "limits" and by doing so, a motor is going to pop here and there. They are doing the R & D, so the average Joes like us that don't own a performance shop can mod our cars relatively "save" vs. popping a motor like they did.
when did i say they did their own machining? oh, that's right, i didn't! they do, how ever, offer engine packages based on PTWA lined modular engine blocks machined to accept iron liners, both wet and dry:idea: but, hey, i don't know shit...
no you haven't, otherwise i would've posted it already. it's certainly not a secret seeing as how it says right in my profile what i drive:read: but if you actually want to see it...
"he drives a ford explorer, that must mean that you can't put iron liners in a PTWA block!!!"
http://www.svtperformance.com/forum...r-porn-pic-day-360ci-aluminum-mod-muscle.html
so, again, what info did i state that i have "zero knowledge" of? i said "tell that to MMR", a company who builds ford modular engines and just so happens to offer 2011+ aluminum 5.4l PTWA blocks with iron liners in them. oh, i'm sure you'll just talk about how i own a ford explorer vs a GT500 instead of how i'm actually right:bored: i would talk about the things i've done, jobs i've had, cars i've worked on, but it wouldn't change anything.
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Shepard?
There is a reason we have set numerous records over the past 7 years.... and it's not by being "Cookie-Cutter"..
We have been pushing our 2013 Shelby GT500 from day one.... more like beating the crap out of it from day one.
In 8 weeks the car has logged 121 1/4 Mile Passes at the Track and 39 Dyno Pulls. That's probably 10 times more then most owners of these cars will do in a lifetime.
We were fully aware of the risks involved when pushing a stock engine, that's why we weren't surprised when we broke it. I'm actually surprised it lasted this long for what we put it through especially the amount of boost and power we made with the 3.6LC Kenne Bell is just absolutely ridiculous.
Once the motor is taken apart we will put up a full analysis on what broke and include lots of photos.
Luckily our other 2013 Shelby GT500 is our R&D car, which has logged over 3 thousand miles testing all of our Combo Power Packages, Tunes, Shifters, Suspension, Exhaust, etc. So keep that in mind when shopping for the perfect combination.
Thank you to everyone that supports our hard work and dedication to the Shelby GT500 community and for the haters.. you're really going to hate us when you see the new combination in our car... It's going to be even more ridiculous and very soon...;-)
Check out the October 2012 Issue of 5.0 Mustang and Super Fords Magazine on Newsstands now for an in-depth look at our quest for 9's in the 1/4 mile with our 2013 Shelby GT500. How much power did we make and what basic bolt-ons were used to achieve this.....Nitrous was NOT one of them... It would have been too easy, we proved that back in 2006 when we were first in the 9's with our 2007 Shelby GT500. We wanted a challenge...
Fred
Evolution Performance, Inc.
We have been pushing our 2013 Shelby GT500 from day one.... more like beating the crap out of it from day one.
In 8 weeks the car has logged 121 1/4 Mile Passes at the Track and 39 Dyno Pulls. That's probably 10 times more then most owners of these cars will do in a lifetime.
We were fully aware of the risks involved when pushing a stock engine, that's why we weren't surprised when we broke it. I'm actually surprised it lasted this long for what we put it through especially the amount of boost and power we made with the 3.6LC Kenne Bell is just absolutely ridiculous.
Once the motor is taken apart we will put up a full analysis on what broke and include lots of photos.
Luckily our other 2013 Shelby GT500 is our R&D car, which has logged over 3 thousand miles testing all of our Combo Power Packages, Tunes, Shifters, Suspension, Exhaust, etc. So keep that in mind when shopping for the perfect combination.
Thank you to everyone that supports our hard work and dedication to the Shelby GT500 community and for the haters.. you're really going to hate us when you see the new combination in our car... It's going to be even more ridiculous and very soon...;-)
Check out the October 2012 Issue of 5.0 Mustang and Super Fords Magazine on Newsstands now for an in-depth look at our quest for 9's in the 1/4 mile with our 2013 Shelby GT500. How much power did we make and what basic bolt-ons were used to achieve this.....Nitrous was NOT one of them... It would have been too easy, we proved that back in 2006 when we were first in the 9's with our 2007 Shelby GT500. We wanted a challenge...
Fred
Evolution Performance, Inc.
I would think that a KB 3.6L at 24-25 psi (if thats what they were running) with all supporting mods, exhaust, the 5.8's higher compression ratio, it would be putting down atleast 1000 to the wheels no?
Thanks for the reply. Appreciate it. I plan on using you guys for my 2013.
Just one question, why did you guys remove my comment from your FB page? It was in no way rude...?
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I wanted the public to hear it directly from us first.
Ok, fair enough. Just wanted to make sure you didn't think the comment was rude. I was just looking for what happened. As lots of us are, especially those of us with a 2013. :beer:
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