2012 gt500

[Steve@TF]

Honestly,

the GT500 is a letdown. No disrespect to those who own one. It is an awesome car.

but for all the power, it can't put it to the ground.

This is not just a factory hopped up Cobra. The is a SHELBY edition. You know, the racing legend?

His company should be a leader in not only making power, but putting it to the ground. How sad is it that an expensive Super Snake can't outrun a regular GT500. It should be laughing at lamborghinis and farting out digested ferraris.

Instead, the Z06 (not to mention ZR1) absolutely eats it for breakfast.

And the Shelby is in Corvette territory price-wise.

The thing is heavy, traction-less, makes power, but not enough. It should be at 600+ by now.

With the Ford edge in engine tech and better company management, Shelby has plenty to work with.

Chevy is coming out with a Z28 next year that is built for the sole purpose of trouncing the GT500 (not that the CADILLAC CTS-V isn't doing that already. yes, you heard right. An OLD PEOPLE's car makes a mockery of the GT500). What is Shelby doing? Are they waiting for their name to get smeared on the asphalt? Or has Ford seen enough and decided that Shelby is underperforming and bringing out the Boss as a historical repeat of what happened before?

For the first time in forever, Ford has brought a factory base and GT car that humiliates the Camaro. At base and midrange levels. But the top dog is going to get left in the dust by the new Chevy?

Say it aint so. And as cool as the Boss is, it is N/A and will be slower than the S/C chevy. It can't be the front runner. I imagine it in the place of where the Mach 1 was. So there must be either a revamped Shelby or a new SVT Cobra.

As much as I love having the Shelby name attached to a Mustang, I have held off upgrading my Terminator for the simple fact that it's not much of an upgrade. And for that money, I want a hot rod that will do more than just give me a fighting chance against the competition.

With the Z28 coming out, I have to say it does look attractive. This coming from a guy who doesn't care much for Chevy in general. It has great styling, great engine, and a serious purposeful push to be the best in its category.

And it supposedly will retail for much less than the GT500 currently does.
sounds like a smack in the face to me.

Ford has done the unthinkable and taken back the performance crown everywhere, from cars to trucks and the Mustang GT performance has been simply amazing.

As much as has gone into the preparation of the small arms fire from Ford, there certainly has to be resistance to sitting on their bottoms while the competition revs up their big guns. let's see the howitzer for Ford. The REAL Cobra. The one with 600+ force-fed ponies under the hood, with potential for much more.

BTW, the Coyote engine has been designed for the ground up for supercharging. The block itself has built in bosses to support this. Even the GT block does. so you can bet that the N/A Boss 302 won't be the performance king. But let's hope Ford has something in mind to make 600+ at the wheels. 550 is so 2005. And let's hope they pull out the stops to get the power to the ground. If the competition can do it, so can an even better managed company such as Ford.

this is blasphemy! this is madness!!

 

[9secondko]

this is blasphemy! this is madness!!

Oh man...

Now I've done it...

I know who not to ask for a discount from. LOL

 

[69b302]

Psecondko, you are completely off topic from the OP. If you want to start your own thread for your stream of consciousness about which cars you like or rank in some mental matrix, maybe the 03/04 forum would be better suited for you. You sound like another bitter 03/04 owner to spend so much time to cluttering the GT500 forum with negative comments.

 

[9secondko]

Psecondko, you are completely off topic from the OP. If you want to start your own thread for your stream of consciousness about which cars you like or rank in some mental matrix, maybe the 03/04 forum would be better suited for you. You sound like another bitter 03/04 owner to spend so much time to cluttering the GT500 forum with negative comments.

Actually,

I was VERY on topic from the OP.

We all want new info on 2012 models. Especially because the competition is heating up.

I simply gave a synopsis of what needs to be improved and why.

If there is a problem with that, this whole forum needs to shut down.

Anything after that and I was fielding flame from people who simply didn't like what I said.

If anything, people making personal attacks, etc. were off topic.

My initial response was completely relevant and in line with forum rules.

some of the responses to me, however, were not. If you want to gripe at someone, pick the right guy.

Funny how you talk about negativity and that's all that comes from you. Basic reading comprehension.

I wasn't just trying to harp on the GT500. I was addressing the longstanding issues that we hope is fixed. And I stressed how much of a problem they were/are. The funny thing is, on the Terminator forums, the guys can be objective and see the problems as well as the good things. You are in a make believe world my friend. A world where anyone who disagrees with you is evil. Well good luck with that. Lighten up. It's a CAR. it has great points and bad points. Deal. Sheesh. Hopefully the '12 addresses the bad. That's the point. otherwise, what's the big about the '12? You are too much.

It's sad how much attention has been focused on the person actually having the guts to address the minuses of the GT500 and yet very little has been said on the car itself. Even when listing unbiased common industry reports about it getting beat by the comp, you have fanboys getting up in arms. When you have something good, you know it and it doesn't matter what anyone says. you can laugh it off, cause the joke is on them. But you guys are a little touchy/nervous arent' you? Says more than you know. in the words of Walter Kronkite, "that's the way it is."

 

[satx]

9sec, here's an FYI

you are THAT guy in this thread

 

[9secondko]

9sec, here's an FYI

you are THAT guy in this thread

Nice try. though you may have a few other guys join you in that opinion, my post was relevant and accurate.

But like I said in my last post, if you want to keep pointing the finger back and forth, go ahead. Living in your dream world,where there is no problem at all with the GTG500 and no competition on its way. No, the only real problems are the guys who actually mention shortcomings.

You have just exemplified my point. Good day!

 

[nolyaw]

Look ball bag, you never directly listed ANY shortcomings about the 2011. All you said how much better other cars are than this car. You said it could'nt "put down the power". How do you know? You said you personally did not like the interior. Who gives a shit what you think, your ass is in an old car, not one of these.

What are the short comings? What is so absolutely hilarious, is if you spent any measurable amount of time in a nice new GT500, I am sure your opinion would change.

Use that SN95 as a stepping stone. You are staring down the barrel of 40 years old, and you're rockin' a kids car. You should have no problem fetching $15k. add another $15k to it, and maybe you could scratch your way into an '07. Chump.

 

[9secondko]

Hey idiot. You want to keep name calling all day, fine. But just know YOU are the one degenerating the thread. the 2011 is much better than preivous, but it is still getting beat the the comp, including CTS-Vs. In stock form, the CTS-V is .4 secs faster 0-60 and faster in the quarter as well. the Camaro Z/28 is coming out real quick and the corevette beat the '11 too. Much of the same applies to the GT500 as previous, but it has partially addressed the weight issue, which was crazy.

I directly listed the shortcomings: the negligible power difference from when it first came out, the weight, the traction, the suspension not putting the power down properly, etc. Wake up and learn how to read. Hard to see through hate though, isn't it?

And I don't like the interior. don't know anyone who does actually. But I also qualified it with the fact that everyone has different taste. Can't deny the identical interiors from 50 years ago though, can you? LOL. although it's tastefully somewhat modernized, but decidedly retro and shockingly barely changed from the old design.

So I guess the people who don't care what I think are the same people who don't care what you think. your point? that's right... move along little doggy.

I have spent time both in the passenger side and behind the wheel of the GT500. and it's a nice car, but I am not blown away by any means. It's new, it performs good, and it feels like it handles nice. But I don't want to buy one yet, with the aforementioned shortcomings.

If the Cobra is a kids car, then so is the Shelby. You make no sense, other than to try to defend a non-defendable position. And at least I take care of mayself, so I look right at home even in a real kids car. Not sure about you though. That may be way age and "old people's cars" stick in your craw so bad. Seriously, you with your personal little jabs, like a kid in elementary school... and you probably NEED your car to be the manhood you don't have. That's why you get broken up at the mere notion it's not.

One day, I hope to step up. but that's the point. I want it to be a step up. Your car is not it.

I have been hoping for a true super Shelby for quite a while. If it was available today, trust me, I would get it. I have been keeping up with Coyote development and could online hope that all this success with the GT and GT350 translates to the GT500. If it did, I would buy it now. I might not like the styling, but the performance would be worth it.

I have been wanting a reason to "upgrade" the Terminator. It has its problems. But it also is a terror on wheels.

Earlier in the year I had posted this:
http://www.svtperformance.com/forum...-v8-dynod-395-rwhp-440-crank.html#post9520219

I had been wanting the Shelby to improve. It has such potential, but it's not there yet. Sure, you can mod to do many things, but I want Shelby to fix those issues. Not me. THEN, I will mod, believe you me.

The GT350 is a little out of price range for me, but the GT500 is approachable.

I hope 2012 has good things in store. 2010 a slight improvement. 2011 was slightly better. Hopefully 2012 hits the nail on the head.

As far as your idea of value, it's pretty funny, but anyone who uses the word "chump" these days is hopelessly outdated anyway. You can go back to your couch now, blubber boy.

Look ball bag, you never directly listed ANY shortcomings about the 2011. All you said how much better other cars are than this car. You said it could'nt "put down the power". How do you know? You said you personally did not like the interior. Who gives a shit what you think, your ass is in an old car, not one of these.

What are the short comings? What is so absolutely hilarious, is if you spent any measurable amount of time in a nice new GT500, I am sure your opinion would change.

Use that SN95 as a stepping stone. You are staring down the barrel of 40 years old, and you're rockin' a kids car. You should have no problem fetching $15k. add another $15k to it, and maybe you could scratch your way into an '07. Chump.

 

[L82ford]

Hey idiot. You want to keep name calling all day, fine. But just know YOU are the one degenerating the thread. the 2011 is much better than preivous, but it is still getting beat the the comp, including CTS-Vs. In stock form, the CTS-V is .4 secs faster 0-60 and faster in the quarter as well. the Camaro Z/28 is coming out real quick and the corevette beat the '11 too. Much of the same applies to the GT500 as previous, but it has partially addressed the weight issue, which was crazy.

I directly listed the shortcomings: the negligible power difference from when it first came out, the weight, the traction, the suspension not putting the power down properly, etc. Wake up and learn how to read. Hard to see through hate though, isn't it?

And I don't like the interior. don't know anyone who does actually. But I also qualified it with the fact that everyone has different taste. Can't deny the identical interiors from 50 years ago though, can you? LOL. although it's tastefully somewhat modernized, but decidedly retro and shockingly barely changed from the old design.

So I guess the people who don't care what I think are the same people who don't care what you think. your point? that's right... move along little doggy.

I have spent time both in the passenger side and behind the wheel of the GT500. and it's a nice car, but I am not blown away by any means. It's new, it performs good, and it feels like it handles nice. But I don't want to buy one yet, with the aforementioned shortcomings.

If the Cobra is a kids car, then so is the Shelby. You make no sense, other than to try to defend a non-defendable position. And at least I take care of mayself, so I look right at home even in a real kids car. Not sure about you though. That may be way age and "old people's cars" stick in your craw so bad. Seriously, you with your personal little jabs, like a kid in elementary school... and you probably NEED your car to be the manhood you don't have. That's why you get broken up at the mere notion it's not.

One day, I hope to step up. but that's the point. I want it to be a step up. Your car is not it.

I have been hoping for a true super Shelby for quite a while. If it was available today, trust me, I would get it. I have been keeping up with Coyote development and could online hope that all this success with the GT and GT350 translates to the GT500. If it did, I would buy it now. I might not like the styling, but the performance would be worth it.

I have been wanting a reason to "upgrade" the Terminator. It has its problems. But it also is a terror on wheels.

Earlier in the year I had posted this:
http://www.svtperformance.com/forum...-v8-dynod-395-rwhp-440-crank.html#post9520219

I had been wanting the Shelby to improve. It has such potential, but it's not there yet. Sure, you can mod to do many things, but I want Shelby to fix those issues. Not me. THEN, I will mod, believe you me.

The GT350 is a little out of price range for me, but the GT500 is approachable.

I hope 2012 has good things in store. 2010 a slight improvement. 2011 was slightly better. Hopefully 2012 hits the nail on the head.

As far as your idea of value, it's pretty funny, but anyone who uses the word "chump" these days is hopelessly outdated anyway. You can go back to your couch now, blubber boy.

You have jumped into a thread that is about 2012 Shelbys, and done nothing but rag on the current Shelbys. The thread is not captioned "Tell us everything you don't like about 2011 Shelbys."

You have made repeated references to other poster's purported issues with reading comprehension; age; weight (actually blubber); fanboy status; doucheyness; touchiness; lack of intelligence; pretending; heads in the sand; attractiveness (thats just weird); physical build (also quite peculiar); jealousy; delusion; and, idiocy.

You are a troll. Owning a terminator and being on this forum for a year does not change that fact. You sir, are a colossal troll. I don't mean your physical size, which by your own accounts is quite impressive to you - I mean your degree of troll. You are a troll to nth degree.

Please, enjoy your terminator and move on. Hopefully, someday Ford will produce a car worthy of your purchase.

 

[ON D BIT]

Hey idiot. You want to keep name calling all day, fine. But just know YOU are the one degenerating the thread. the 2011 is much better than preivous, but it is still getting beat the the comp, including CTS-Vs. In stock form, the CTS-V is .4 secs faster 0-60 and faster in the quarter as well.

12 flat at 120 is bad? What in the world does the ctsv run, im assuming its at least .4 tenths faster? Id like to see the 11.6 stock run.:beer:

What are your thoughts on the vantage v12? 200k car running 12.5 at 117mph.

 

[me32]

does anyone even know a 100% if there is even gonna be a 2012 GT500/Cobra, or is everyone just making guesses. since i have yet to see an real info or facts that ford even has plans to make a 2012 GT500

 

[Shaker1]

has anyone heard anything about anything on next years model? just thought if the boss is coming out there HAS to be more improvement next year. any input?

Apparently, not!:lol1:

 

[me32]

Apparently, not!:lol1:

:beer:

 

[9secondko]

You have jumped into a thread that is about 2012 Shelbys, and done nothing but rag on the current Shelbys. The thread is not captioned "Tell us everything you don't like about 2011 Shelbys."

You have made repeated references to other poster's purported issues with reading comprehension; age; weight (actually blubber); fanboy status; doucheyness; touchiness; lack of intelligence; pretending; heads in the sand; attractiveness (thats just weird); physical build (also quite peculiar); jealousy; delusion; and, idiocy.

You are a troll. Owning a terminator and being on this forum for a year does not change that fact. You sir, are a colossal troll. I don't mean your physical size, which by your own accounts is quite impressive to you - I mean your degree of troll. You are a troll to nth degree.

Please, enjoy your terminator and move on. Hopefully, someday Ford will produce a car worthy of your purchase.

I have posted on a forum that is about 2012 shelby's which are not even out yet, which was started by a guy who mentioned the hope for improvement. Therefore, I investigated the improvements necessary to really be a jump. And I didn't tell you everything I don't like (and even some of the things I did mention were only in direct response to some guy trying to bag on my car compared to his). My intent was to show what everyone who isn't a Shelby fanboy already talks about and hope that those factors are addressed next year. this thread was started on the need for improvement. If you don't think there is such a need, you are closing your eyes.

I have made no such references until they were made to me first. Recognize that fact. And it is a fact. I have tried to stick to the car and the intent of the thread. How the heck can you talk about improvements without addressing the areas that need it? Hello? mcfly...

Then some of your buddies started calling me names, pretending they could joke about my age, financial status etc. Even calling me a "ball bag." I am a man and would have no problem using knocking the guy out if it was to my face. yeah, I'm sure you would just sit back and wimper away if some fool hijacked the thread just to talk smack about you personally and wouldn't stop.

Again, the only people I ever referenced in a negative way was those who did it to me FIRST. And it even took a few posts of them doing it before I responded in kind. No one was stopping them for throwing out the smack, so don't pretend you are a stand up guy watching out "for the good of the forum." you don't notice when others violate the rules by using personal attacks, but you all of a sudden put on the vigilante outfit when the victim retaliates and only notice the guy who doesn't agree with you. Good job buddy. You can take the stain off your glasses at any time. what a joke.

It's sad. This thread could continue into something about hoped for improvements on the 2012. Instead it is full of you and a couple of your pals doing nothing but focusing on one single person posting his observations and thoughts. Stick to the car.

I believe the reading comprehension part is valid especially when someone pretends to know how off topic something is and hasn't even read the first post.

And fanboy status fits guys like you who can't see anything other than hate for someone who disagrees with them about something they like. You don't see anything from anyone else, just one guy. the reason? He is not a huge fan of your car. that is a fanboy. Maybe you should by the T-shirt.

And why don't you use some of the aforementioned reading comprehension and see who the first person to use the word "douchey" was...:nonono:

And while you are at it, why don't you see who the first person to attack age was (gee and here I thought I was at the peak of my powers at 36...)...:nonono:

Being that some guy who loves to use personal attacks wanted to used age as a reason I should feel foolish being in a performance car (and he is barely younger), I have no issues with stating that I look at home in such a car. Thus, not only is his point invalid, but his personal attack backfires. someone who has that on the mind so much is obviously affected by it.

If I don't have the financial blessings he has, that's his advantage in life. But if I happen to be blessed genetically to not have to worry about what i drive and feel appropriate, that's mine. Fair is fair.

Calling someone "Idiot" is pretty tame after being called "ball bag." that's just plain sick and makes me hope he isn't looking at other unmentionable sites while he is posting on this forum. How does that even enter his mind? sick.

I am an SVTP member, just like you, with valid and strong opinions just like yours. I also am a man who won't be belittled just because some guy behind a keyboard doesn't agree with me. WE can agree to disagree. You don't have to start attacking me personally. And when you do, don't cry when you get it back.

If you cannot see that, then you "sir" are just a fanboy who doesn't care what the situation is, so long as his beloved opinion comes out on top somehow.

I will enjoy my Terminator (which btw, is a car ford has already produced worthy of my purchase) and would gladly move on to a new and improved shelby. But that's not your point. You just wanted to come in and pretend to have the final say in something that you were clearly not even paying much attention to.

How about next time, you post about improvements to the GT500, which is after all, the intent of the thread.

 

[9secondko]

12 flat at 120 is bad? What in the world does the ctsv run, im assuming its at least .4 tenths faster? Id like to see the 11.6 stock run.:beer:

What are your thoughts on the vantage v12? 200k car running 12.5 at 117mph.

this is just bench racing, but edmunds.com list the '11 GT500 as 4.4 secs 0-60 and 12.4 in the 1/4 mile at 116mph.

By contrast, the CTS-V is listed as 3.9 0-60 and 12.2 in the quarter.

some might say well the edmunds driver didn't do it right.

but that's what it is and edmunds is one of the most respected out there.

Not saying the GT500 performance is bad. Just saying it would be nice to see noticeable improvement in 2012. That is the point of this thread.


Whatever you do, DON'T watch this video:
[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QW-qF_Xzjl4"]YouTube - Grudge Match: Cadillac CTS-V Coupe vs Shelby GT500[/nomedia]

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Or read this thread:
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/08/04/video-cts-v-coupe-vs-the-world-continues-with-shelby-gt500

both are 2011 models and posted what seems to be slower times that they have elsewhere. Here is hoping for 2012.


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[Shaker1]

You're not that Russian dude who wrote War and Peace, are you? No one read that novel either.:rollseyes

 

[9secondko]

does anyone even know a 100% if there is even gonna be a 2012 GT500/Cobra, or is everyone just making guesses. since i have yet to see an real info or facts that ford even has plans to make a 2012 GT500

A few enthusiast sites early in the year were talking up a 2012 GT500 with twin turbos.

perhaps an ecoboost V8?

But things have went silent since then and many on here think it will still be an S/C.

With all the tech Ford has mounted up lately, I think the sky is the limit with a limited edition top of the line car like the shelby. If the SHO can get a specialized and twin turbo'd engine, surely the shelby could justify it even more so.

I think it is quiet because Ford knows people are gunning for it, especially after the unexpected GT coming out and whooping everything in sight.

Now the Z28 is coming out and Ford probably doesn't want to show its hand.
Just speculation, but it would make sense, given the stakes.
With the roll ford is on, I can't wait to see what 2012 has in store.

 

[Ry_Trapp0]

evidently, those enthusiast websites are basing their belief on the bullshit reports coming from the idiots at motortrend, autoblog, etc. they're great on giving you current news(err, 2 month old news for the mags), but are consistently wrong about rumors and speculation. ford's head powertrain engineer said in an interview that there won't be an ecoboost V8 mustang because it won't fit in the S197 chassis as an assembly line ready package. the only major powertrain change that could happen would be a s'charged 5.0l, but the 5.4l should continue on all the way to the '14MY redesign.

 

[Tob]

There have been comments made elsewhere from niche line employees that the blown 5.4 was contracted for one more year.

 

[ON D BIT]

this is just bench racing, but edmunds.com list the '11 GT500 as 4.4 secs 0-60 and 12.4 in the 1/4 mile at 116mph.

By contrast, the CTS-V is listed as 3.9 0-60 and 12.2 in the quarter.

some might say well the edmunds driver didn't do it right.

but that's what it is and edmunds is one of the most respected out there.

Not saying the GT500 performance is bad. Just saying it would be nice to see noticeable improvement in 2012. That is the point of this thread.

Its interesting since we see a noticeable improvement in those numbers in the 100lb heavier 2010.

We have seen more than one stock 2010 gt500 run an 11.9x at 120. What does the v run? How much faster is the 11 gt500? These are question that you have yet to answer which is surprising. Since this is the basis for your statements.oke: