2011 GT vs 2003 Cobra
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ummm yea intake tune and exhaust can take a second off a new gt... i say an automatic bone stock girl drive in 92*weather run 13.0-12.90 all night then with just jms tune ran 12.05 on stock tires .. no intake or exhaust..
Glad to see someone finally started talking about the gearing. Never did anyone realize that the cobra had 3.31 gearing. Not only that why is it the cobra is so unbeatable. Hell he said they left at 35mph. Now all of a sudden he was in the wrong gear, wrong speed, can't shift. Hell the cobra lost and lost and lost. Great job ford did with the coyote. Do you believe for one second that FORD can not make a car perform better than a 7 year old model.
Look at what's going on. Technology is only getting better and better. For pete's sake the 85-87 gt was the car at one time. Take an 11 6 banger and drag the mighty 5.0. The terminator is not a godsend. It was nice for the price and years at that time. Best bang for the buck but that is what the mustang is. Now the 11 is the best bang for the buck. Higher compression then the older ones, better gearing, better revving, valve and timing control, and better internals. People in time your termi's will be replaced by a better platform. Do you think it is a reason they stopped making them.
In no way am I hating on the termi's just accept the fact that times are changing. If you want to talk about a fully modded car. Then put forged internals in the 11 and up the boost. Let the future take control. If I come across a good deal on a termi I will get one for a daily driver. Still I would not be upset when I get beat. In 03/04 you had respect but now things are getting faster. I don't really see the problem getting beat my another stang. Now if a bowtie was giving it to you like then hey there's a problem. AND STOP MAKING EXCUSES WHEN THE COBRA'S LOSE, GUESS WHAT IT HAPPENS
Look at what's going on. Technology is only getting better and better. For pete's sake the 85-87 gt was the car at one time. Take an 11 6 banger and drag the mighty 5.0. The terminator is not a godsend. It was nice for the price and years at that time. Best bang for the buck but that is what the mustang is. Now the 11 is the best bang for the buck. Higher compression then the older ones, better gearing, better revving, valve and timing control, and better internals. People in time your termi's will be replaced by a better platform. Do you think it is a reason they stopped making them.
In no way am I hating on the termi's just accept the fact that times are changing. If you want to talk about a fully modded car. Then put forged internals in the 11 and up the boost. Let the future take control. If I come across a good deal on a termi I will get one for a daily driver. Still I would not be upset when I get beat. In 03/04 you had respect but now things are getting faster. I don't really see the problem getting beat my another stang. Now if a bowtie was giving it to you like then hey there's a problem. AND STOP MAKING EXCUSES WHEN THE COBRA'S LOSE, GUESS WHAT IT HAPPENS
Weird, My 03 Came from the Factory with 3.55's....
Then maybe she should be on the fastest list. Nobody else on the list would compete with her given her modes.:shrug: Either way, none of them are trapping close to 120 (The fastest list had one with nitrous that trapped 118). I don't see how they are pulling so hard on Cobras when they are trapping closer to stock Cobra Trap speeds than they are pullied Cobra traps speeds. Comparing fastest times, I know multiple pullied cobras have trapped 122+.
Ive never heard of 03-04 cobras having 3.31 ...all came with 3.55 right ?
+100
I'm also inclined to think that if from a roll, I can see what all the fluff is about considering all that has been said.. but from a dig, doesn't the 11 GT have the clear advantage if both are lightly modded or stock? I would figure this is widely agreed therefore the trap speed kinda makes sense and is somewhat irrelavent at the end of the quarter. The termis do trap higher but I would think traction advantage goes to the GT by a large margin... Agreed?
Another thing I've noticed is that the faster times on the GTs are being posted by folks running 3:31's is this correct? The gearing on these cars is spot on IMHO..:burnout:
I think traction is similiar on both cars. However, the Cobra is probably harder to get off the line with the IRS. In stock trim I don't think a GT has any advantage. Both cars are pretty close in the 1/4 mile E.T. and Trap (drivers race). Same thing with an intake and tune. Both cars get a considerable increase in HP from this mod. I got an additional 55 RWHP from just intake and exhaust and it sounds like the GT is getting similiar increases. I thought the quicker GT times were the ones that had 3.73 gears.:shrug: A pullied Cobra like the one in this post should run anywhere from low 11s to high 11s.
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power is power...weight is nominal.
Shitty driver in the Termi.
Shitty driver in the Termi.
lol awd ftw.......what does your 2011 gt run in the 1/8th????
Cobra should have won, no question. A bolt on '11 5.0 is no quicker, and more likely slower than a bolt-on stock pulley Cobra. Swap the pulley and game over, periord.
Um, a 460 rwhp loses to one making maybe 390 (STD or SAE or do you know?). You'un point other than the 03 Cobra owner caint drive and has traction problems and somehow you have overcome to the laws of physics?
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I caint believe some of the posts I'm reading.
I owned an 03. Got one of the first in the country. I claim the first posting of a dyno sheet on the net by a private owner posted in May of 2002. I bought the first of everything that came out, upper pulley, lower pulley, exhausr, CAI...............then a 2.2 KB. With a 2.80 upper and four pound lower it made over 500 rwhp SAE and 490 rwt. It was damned stout.
Then I bought a 2010 GT500. This car stock was puny compared to my 03. It felt so puny my Eaton blown 03 with the 3.90 gear I put in it would have tore it a new asshole.
You trying to tell me 360 rwhp is going to hang with a 460 rwhp car? You trying to tell me a 5.0 that's probably making 130 less at the tire is somehow equal to a bone stock GT500 that woul have lost badly to my 03? I don't care if his IC pump was bad. It aint lost that much power.
Bwahahahahaha.
It aint a drivers race. It's someone who can not drive versus someone who has just enough power anyone could put to the pavement.
Driver's race my ass. You are dreaming. The 5.0 is a damned nice car. I looked at a silver one this weekend at a local dealer. I would buy one for a daily driver but the GT500 is enough Mustang for me. But, don't let this go to your head.
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So these runs he posted were over 3 months ago.
I call bull shit on this whole post and the possers posts following.
This.
People need to stop defending the terminators...just because. To 'match' 1st gearing to an '11 GT with 3.73s, an '03 would need 5.13 at the rear. Ford did exactly what I thought they should regarding the new tranny ratios. I've always thought 5th was a total waste on my '03 and I usually skip it. Shit...look at the ratios on the automatic '11 and you begin to understand why they don't have the lower rear gear ratio options from the factory...1st gear is 4.17:1! Net that's geared lower than my '00 GT with 4.10s since 1st on the 4R70W is only 2.84 IIRC...
Great work Ford!
2011 gt vs 03 cobra
must have been low 10s with those kinds of mods....in the new mm&ff they put a centrifical on the new GT. It was a Paxton NOVI 2200 supercharger with an air-to-air intercooler. This perticular car for those of you who havn't read the latest issue (I'm a subscriber; have been for 10 years) was laying down 433 rwhp with kooks long tubes, 3 inch x pipe w cats and a custom JPC tune w a DIABLOSPORT software and a trinity programmer. the kit is advertised from Paxton as a 7 psi kit but this perticular car saw 9.5 lbs of boost on the dyno and put down 661 rwhp and 548 lb-ft torque. Once the car hit 400 lb-ft of torque around 3 grand or so it never dropped below that all the way to the 7 k redline...the peak was around 5800 and the peak hp was up around 6700 and it had a relatively flat torque curve for a centrifical and the hp line on the dyno went up up and away all the way to redline. They did mention that the car reached 12 psi on the gauge on the track in 4th gear. That is a 7 psi paxton (according to paxton anyway) with a full exhaust and it's putting down well over 600 to the wheels...more than enough to run deep into the 10s...ecspecially with the weight reduction, traction and all the things you just mentioned. that is extremely impressive in my book...go 5.0! Lets see the Cobra put down 663 with 9.5 psi on a dyno. A turbo wouldn't even get you there unless you combined it with the blower but that wouldn't equal 9.5 psi. These cars are extremely impressive. 661 rwhp is up in kb swapped termi area...that are usually running at least 14-16 psi on their kbs. not knocking cobras...as a matter of fact I'd be happy with either car I love em both. but you can't argue with those kind of stats...ford got it right this time...that's for sure. :beer:
Michael
p.s. to the original poster nice kill...love both cars!:rockon:
must have been low 10s with those kinds of mods....in the new mm&ff they put a centrifical on the new GT. It was a Paxton NOVI 2200 supercharger with an air-to-air intercooler. This perticular car for those of you who havn't read the latest issue (I'm a subscriber; have been for 10 years) was laying down 433 rwhp with kooks long tubes, 3 inch x pipe w cats and a custom JPC tune w a DIABLOSPORT software and a trinity programmer. the kit is advertised from Paxton as a 7 psi kit but this perticular car saw 9.5 lbs of boost on the dyno and put down 661 rwhp and 548 lb-ft torque. Once the car hit 400 lb-ft of torque around 3 grand or so it never dropped below that all the way to the 7 k redline...the peak was around 5800 and the peak hp was up around 6700 and it had a relatively flat torque curve for a centrifical and the hp line on the dyno went up up and away all the way to redline. They did mention that the car reached 12 psi on the gauge on the track in 4th gear. That is a 7 psi paxton (according to paxton anyway) with a full exhaust and it's putting down well over 600 to the wheels...more than enough to run deep into the 10s...ecspecially with the weight reduction, traction and all the things you just mentioned. that is extremely impressive in my book...go 5.0! Lets see the Cobra put down 663 with 9.5 psi on a dyno. A turbo wouldn't even get you there unless you combined it with the blower but that wouldn't equal 9.5 psi. These cars are extremely impressive. 661 rwhp is up in kb swapped termi area...that are usually running at least 14-16 psi on their kbs. not knocking cobras...as a matter of fact I'd be happy with either car I love em both. but you can't argue with those kind of stats...ford got it right this time...that's for sure. :beer:
Michael
p.s. to the original poster nice kill...love both cars!:rockon:
love the engine
...wouldn't mind swappin that new 5.0 driveline in my 94 (including the 6 speed of course) that would be AWESOME! :lol:
...wouldn't mind swappin that new 5.0 driveline in my 94 (including the 6 speed of course) that would be AWESOME! :lol:
Sure if you throw enough $$$ at a 5.0 it may run with a pullied or swapped supercharger Cobra, but at what price. Most of you are already into the 5.0 for mid to high 30s, now you are adding 7-10K worth of mods to a new car that was never designed with boost in mind, also has no real proven time being force fed. Now your into the car for around 43-48K, hell just go and get a 2011 GT500 for a few grand more and have a much better designed car, with far better resale value should you decide to sell. With a $1,000.00 worth of mods you will give most any Terminator a run for their money safely.
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Ok, let's get something straight. First I call driver's mod fault on the Termi driver. Second, there is a chance that the races are real based on the fact that all the scenarios given don't work well for the Termi, therefore the 5.0 had the advantage. I almost lost to a WRX STi before I brought the car to the shop because I spun my way through third gear. Does that mean he's faster? No. IT would give him something to brag about on his forum.
When I get my car back pushing 700+ I can lose to a civic thanks to the spin issue.
When I get my car back pushing 700+ I can lose to a civic thanks to the spin issue.
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