Attention MT-82 victoms!!!

[Mountain306]

Actually, page 309 of the owners manual states the MT82 transmission takes XT-11-QDC. In my case, the Field Service Engineer who has been assisting my Service Manager heard back from Ford's Drivetrain Engineers who said "STOP".

I wouldn't put the DCT fluid in just yet. In the large auto-makers, there tends to be a lot of communication isseues between tech services and engineering and people in the tech services who don't do their research.

Besides, the Motorcraft web site specifically says not to use XT-11-QDC in anything other than the DPS-6. The Motorcraft web site also says that XT-M5-QS is recommended for the MT82. There is not enough (basically none) technical data available for the XT-11-QDC in order to come to any solid conclusion as to how the fluid will effect the MT82. One could try it, but who knows what kind of chemicals are in it? Another reason to WAIT until it is 100% confirmed by Ford Drivetrain Engineering. They know more details regarding that fluid than anyone here.

Hold on guys.

 

[Mountain306]

Found some information regarding the DCT fluid (XT-11_QDS). The fluid is made by BP and is named BOT 341. It is a fluid that was designed by BP along with Ford-Getrag Transmission (FGT). It is supposed to be kind of a revolutionary fluid the way BP speaks of it and is seemingly unwilling to let out the compositions of the fluid. I did, however, find some basic statistics on the lube, but I will not post them because I have not found solid evidence the information is correct (will do so if I find some proof). Volvo also uses BOT 341, AKA XT-11QDS or Dual Clutch Transmission fluid.
BP Global - Reports and publications - Smoother transmission

 

[JAA55]

Im curious to see what becomes of all of this, my car is parked for the winter with 700 miles on it.

I havent had any grief with the transmission except I had a small leak from a top of the tranny......which has now stopped, it was never a large leak just a few drips im assuming it was a bit overfull.

 

[redline]

We've been 10.39@133mph with the MT-82 and no problems so far. The car is on slicks and gets powershifted all the time. The car goes to the track tomorrow night again making a little more power.. so we'll see if can hold a 9 sec pass..

Here's a vid of our 10.39 for those that haven't seen it.
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hey does your car have the factory shifter?

 

[jmatero]

Considering the overwhelming majority of those reporting problems admit to owning cars built before 8/24/10, it sounds like Ford has this solved: they redesigned the synchronizers, redesigned the pressure plate bolts, and changed the tranny fluid. At the moment, the newly designed pressure plate bolts are on backorder. Also, dealers cannot currently order parts for the MT82... Their only option is to replace the tranny whole. That is an expensive proposition and overkill when they could simply replace the synchronizers and swap to new fluid.

I think Ford will issue an official fix once they have a supply of new synchronizers on hand. Once a dealer confirms the problem isn't related to the pressure plate bolts, the official fix will probably state that the fluid should be drained and replaced with the Fiesta DCT type. If the problem persists, replace the suspect synchronizers. Sit tight everyone. If you're having problems shifting, bring it in now and confirm it is not because of the pressure plate issue. If your bolts are fine, you'll be told there is no solution yet. Get a case number from Ford Customer Care and ask them to notify you once an official fix is available.

At least we can drive the cars with this annoyance until a fix is posted. FYI: the reason my transmission is being replaced is because Ford used my car as a guinea pig to test how adding friction modifier might help. They are concerned about long-term damage so they are simply replacing it.

I wouldn't swap fluid yet. For all we know, the fluid swap is only for MT82's with the redesigned sychros. I saw the letter from powertrain engineering in Michigan first hand and they were adamant that the transmission they sent to my dealer should not be filled with anything other than 2.7 quarts of the Fiesta DCT fluid.

 

[redline]

Considering the overwhelming majority of those reporting problems admit to owning cars built before 8/24/10, it sounds like Ford has this solved: they redesigned the synchronizers, redesigned the pressure plate bolts, and changed the tranny fluid. At the moment, the newly designed pressure plate bolts are on backorder. Also, dealers cannot currently order parts for the MT82... Their only option is to replace the tranny whole. That is an expensive proposition and overkill when they could simply replace the synchronizers and swap to new fluid.

I think Ford will issue an official fix once they have a supply of new synchronizers on hand. Once a dealer confirms the problem isn't related to the pressure plate bolts, the official fix will probably state that the fluid should be drained and replaced with the Fiesta DCT type. If the problem persists, replace the suspect synchronizers. Sit tight everyone. If you're having problems shifting, bring it in now and confirm it is not because of the pressure plate issue. If your bolts are fine, you'll be told there is no solution yet. Get a case number from Ford Customer Care and ask them to notify you once an official fix is available.

At least we can drive the cars with this annoyance until a fix is posted. FYI: the reason my transmission is being replaced is because Ford used my car as a guinea pig to test how adding friction modifier might help. They are concerned about long-term damage so they are simply replacing it.

I wouldn't swap fluid yet. For all we know, the fluid swap is only for MT82's with the redesigned sychros. I saw the letter from powertrain engineering in Michigan first hand and they were adamant that the transmission they sent to my dealer should not be filled with anything other than 2.7 quarts of the Fiesta DCT fluid.

how or where can you find when your car was built?

 

[jmatero]

The tag on the driver's doorjamb shows the month/year of build. Not sure howmto find the exact day... Anyone?

 

[DEADLY FORCE]

I, too, have grinding issues when warmed up. It grinds going into reverse, and I sometimes get a grind from 1st to 2nd and 2nd to 3rd. Also, I have a whining noise coming from the gearbox in 1st through 4th gear. 5th and 6th don't whine at all. It literally sounds like I have a twin screw or roots blower on the car.. that's how loud it is.

If you don't mind, can you please PM me the name and number of the dealership that you're working with. Also, can you PM me what's going on with your car? I'd like to have some "ammo" to take the dealer, so they don't try to just shrug this off.

Thanks,

Travis

Hey Travis,

My car does the same thing as yours, in which it sounds like a roots supercharger whine first through fourth gear and doesn't in 5th & 6th. I've only had mine grind once. The car does have the cold start shifting issues then shifts smooth once warmed up. I let it warm up now and it remedies the shift problem. My question to you is, have you heard any other cars with the whine problem, aswell as has anyone tried to take it in for service/replacement for the whine yet? I see your post says you're getting ready to take yours in, as I would too with the grinding issues you describe. I'm concerned about the whining issue leading to transmission failure in the future.

Thanks,
Shawn

 

[jmatero]

Exact build date:

Car Build Date Determination - Ford Mustang Forums

 

[redline]

The tag on the driver's doorjamb shows the month/year of build. Not sure howmto find the exact day... Anyone?

thanks. mine reads 6/10 but no problems .

 

[Mountain306]

I saw the letter from powertrain engineering in Michigan first hand and they were adamant that the transmission they sent to my dealer should not be filled with anything other than 2.7 quarts of the Fiesta DCT fluid.

That right there is what speaks very loud words.

I read the article today in MMFF, and after reading that (along with all the talk of similar shifting problems), published in a magazine, the MT82 is not sounding as pleasing as I thought it would have been.

I think this article was mentioned briefly before, but here it is:
2011 Mustang Transmission Swap - Toughen Your Transmission - Muscle Mustangs & Fast Fords Magazine

 

[SVT_4_me]

Im curious to see what becomes of all of this, my car is parked for the winter with 700 miles on it.

same here but i have about 800 miles... i'm sure an official fix will be released very soon. i am confident that Ford will take care of this issue...

 

[surcy]

Anyone:

Is there a way to inspect the flywheel bolts (an access panel) without removing the transmission? The only reason I ask is that someone posted (I cannot find it now) to take your car to the dealer and they could remove an inspection panel to check for loose flywheel bolts.

 

[stang1971]

when i had my 2011 black m6 i never had the notchy feeling... but i got it in may and traded it in the first week of october... i loved the transmission itself it was everything else i was having issues with.

 

[gtmiller1001]

Hey Travis,

My car does the same thing as yours, in which it sounds like a roots supercharger whine first through fourth gear and doesn't in 5th & 6th. I've only had mine grind once. The car does have the cold start shifting issues then shifts smooth once warmed up. I let it warm up now and it remedies the shift problem. My question to you is, have you heard any other cars with the whine problem, aswell as has anyone tried to take it in for service/replacement for the whine yet? I see your post says you're getting ready to take yours in, as I would too with the grinding issues you describe. I'm concerned about the whining issue leading to transmission failure in the future.

Thanks,
Shawn

I originally took mine in for the whine you are talking about. Live in TX and it wasn't cold enough for me to have experienced the notchy shifting at that point. Dealership had the car for the day and eventually came back saying it was "normal". When I picked up my car I drove another brand new 5.0 6 speed that was on the lot and it did the EXACT same thing. I've been looking at H-pipes vs X-pipes lately and watching sound clips. I think it's the clip of the X pipe on the lethal website that I heard it in - the in car recording seemed to have the exact same whine as well. I usually garage the car but have been outside overnight a few times recently. Since it's gotten colder I'm almost scared to try and go from 1st to 2nd gear because it just feels like shit. I really don't want to mess with this myself b/c with my luck I'll take it in and they'll see wrench marks on the tranny drain plug and say they aren't warrantying anything! I REALLY hope ford comes out with an official "oops" and has a solution soon b/c I really feel that, minor as it may be at this point, permanant damage is being done to our transmissions with every shift.

 

[Full_Tilt]

This thread is a little ridiculous. Especially with the OP trying to sound like hes a martyr or something. Its just you against the world, eh?
Also, its "Victims" not "Victoms"... but I digress.

My sticker says 7/10 and Ive had no problems. Its a pretty notchy transmission, and of course when its freezing outside it doesnt want to shift for a minute or two. Im not surprised by that in the least.

I have notices a bit of a whine in the lower gears, I assumed that to be as a result of the gears themselves being more straight cut (for strength) and the higher gears being more helical to keep the noise down while cruising). Has anybody been in the guts of these tranmissions yet? Based on what drag racers have thrown at them I would expect theyre very well built, so straight cut gears would make sense and would be a very GOOD thing. Id rather have a little whine than have some whimpy transmission. This is a sports car afterall...

 

[jmatero]

I'd be happy with a stiff shifter in cold weather... and a slight whine... over grinding gears and an inability to shift into gears when warmed up which is what most of us are experiencing. Lucky Dog!

 

[Torch10th]

This thread is a little ridiculous. Especially with the OP trying to sound like hes a martyr or something. Its just you against the world, eh?
Also, its "Victims" not "Victoms"... but I digress.

My sticker says 7/10 and Ive had no problems. Its a pretty notchy transmission, and of course when its freezing outside it doesnt want to shift for a minute or two. Im not surprised by that in the least.

I have notices a bit of a whine in the lower gears, I assumed that to be as a result of the gears themselves being more straight cut (for strength) and the higher gears being more helical to keep the noise down while cruising). Has anybody been in the guts of these tranmissions yet? Based on what drag racers have thrown at them I would expect theyre very well built, so straight cut gears would make sense and would be a very GOOD thing. Id rather have a little whine than have some whimpy transmission. This is a sports car afterall...

I'm really inclined to agree with this entire post.

I feel that some people here are having a legitimate concern with their transmission, and I believe a lot of the people here are responding in a psychosomatic way agreeing with everyone else.

It's easy to spot flaws, irregularities etc when you spend your entire driving experience looking for them.

I haven't looked at the build date on my car so I can't offer that bit of information. I can say however that the past two mornings I've been driving my car it has been between -10 to -5 degrees the entire trip. Is the transmission smooth as butter? Absolutely not, I would never expect it to be. However it does shift into every gear and as the fluids heat up gets easier. That's how mechanical objects work. too cold or too hot and they don't function as advertised.

My stance is this. Enjoy your car. You're paying quite a bit of money for it. If there is a problem, Ford will address it and correct it. All you need to do is document the issue with your service department and "if" something happens to your transmission because of a problem, you'll get a new one.

That's what warranties are for. There's absolutely no reason anyone should be parking their car over fear of damage. It's not your issue to deal with.

My honest to goodness feeling here is that there's nothing mechanically unsound about the drive-train. How it feels to me and the sounds it makes are very reminiscent of other performance cars I've owned and driven, including 4 previous mustangs.

 

[jmatero]

I disagree about there being nothing mechanically wrong with the drivetrain. There are close to 500 posts on this topic in the past 7 weeks at allfordmustangs.com with Ford reps monitoring and contacting owners (including me) regarding two known mechanical problems with the drivetrain. My car has been used by Ford to test a number of solutions... and is now being used to test what will most likely be an official fix. The last of the new-design parts arrived today and the car gets EVERYTHING between the crank and driveshaft swapped out with Job2/2012 parts. What do we know currently?

1. The majority of clutch issues on pre 09/2010-built Mustangs are a result of pressure-plate bolts backing out and not allowing full disengagement of the clutch. This eventually shears the flywheel dowels, destroys the clutch, and causes premature wear of the synchronizers. This is a known issue and the solution is replacement of the damaged components, installation of 6 redesigned pressure plate bolts, and a new reassembly procedure. There are few if any reports of clutch engagement issues on cars with the new-design pressure plate bolts.

2. Ford redesigned the synchronizers in the MT82. They began using the updated parts on August 24, 2010. There are few if any reports of gear grinding being reported by owners who's cars have these new synchros.

The pressure plate bolts, synchronizers, and Reverse (input shaft) on Job1 cars are proving to be "Mechanically unsound". There are HUNDREDS of posts on this... and the symptoms all start the same way:

Pressure Plate Bolt Issue: Early symptoms are a change in the engagement point of the clutch. Then, it becomes difficult to modulate the clutch. Smooth progressive launches in 1st become impossible. Eventually, gears begin to grind as shifts are taking place with the clutch partially engaged. In the final stages, the clutch fails completely.

Synchronizers: Early symptoms are grinding during cold shifting from 1-2 and 2-3. Eventually, grinding occurs on upshifts (to any, some, or all gears) irregardless of ambient temperature, or whether car is warmed up or not.

These are the facts. If you are not experiencing these issues, I'm very happy for you and you should feel comforted knowing that if they DO appear in the future, there will be a fix. I can see how... if you only read this particular thread... you would come to the conclusion "there was no issue". I would suggest you read all 600 posts on THIS thread to gain a better perspective of the major clutch and transmission issues so many of us a dealing with:

Official 2011 Mustang Manual Transmission Rough Shifting Thread - Ford Mustang Forums

 

[ViciousJay]

im wondering if evreyones knows how to drive manual. this car vs a terminator trans is night and day. I was excepting notchiness but besides a loose shifter this thing shifts like a raped ape when needed