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mobeydick

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You know what? You need to post up some proof if you are going to come into this thread and start bashing this guy.

He has posted and linked to all kinds of independently tested stuff and you have posted CRAP!

I think it's time for you to back the mouth.

If you think Motorcraft and Mobil one are equal to Amsoil you obviously either can't read or don't know where to to find valid oil testing information.

Your posting without factual back up is counter productive to this otherwise very informative thread, and it needs to stop.

Back up your claim or get out of this guy's thread.

You wanted it, here it is, Remember this is Not Someone’s “Research” This is an Actual Test!




Consumer Reports

The surprising Truth about Motor Oils!

ACTUAL TEST not someone “research”

I can’t find the actual Article on Consumer reports but here it is reported on another site!

Consumer Reports:Truth Motor Oils- July 1996

Recommendations
None of the tested oils proved better than the others in our tests. There may be small differences that our tests didn't reveal, but unless you typically drive under more severe conditions than a New York cab does, you won't go wrong if you shop strictly by price or availability. Buy the viscosity grade recommended in your owner's manual, and look for the starburst emblem. Even the expensive synthetics (typically, $3 or $4 a quart) worked no better than conventional motor oils in our taxi tests, but they're worth considering for extreme driving conditions high ambient temperatures and high engine load or very cold temperatures.
On the basis of our test results, we think that the commonly recommended 3,000-mile oil-change interval is conservative. For "normal" service, 7,500-mile intervals (or the recommendation in your owner's manual) should be fine. Change the oil at least that often to protect your engine and maintain your warranty. Even for the severe service experienced by the taxis in our tests a 6,000- mile interval was adequate. But some severe service - frequent cold starts and short trips, dusty conditions, trailer towing - may require a shorter interval. Note, too, that special engines such as diesels and turbos, which we didn't test, may need more frequent oil changes.
We don't recommend stretching the change interval beyond the automaker's recommendations, no matter what oil you use. Engine combustion contaminants could eventually build up and harm engine parts.
As for STP Oil Treatment, STP Engine Treatment, and Slick 50 Engine Treatment, our advice is simple: If you use an oil with the starburst symbol, you don't need them.
 

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You can draw some conclusions with 75 identical taxis and 20 different oils. You can't with volunteered information!

Uh... Could you possibly find an older article?

Out of 20 oils tested 2 were synthetic, Penzoil Performax and Mobil1.

How about an article that actually compares products to any of the group 4 based oils that have been recommended in this thread? Especially since you clame Amsoil is no better than Mobil 1, which btw has changed it's formula in the 15 years since that article came out.
 
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Note, too, that special engines such as diesels and turbos, which we didn't test, may need more frequent oil changes.

hmmm sound like any motors around these parts???
 

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Uh... Could you possibly find an older article?

Out of 20 oils tested 2 were synthetic, Penzoil Performax and Mobil1.

How about an article that actually compares products to any of the group 4 based oils that have been recommended in this thread? Especially since you clame Amsoil is no better than Mobil 1, which btw has changed it's formula in the 15 years since that article came out.

It’s clear you think Oil and Engine technology has reverted in time.

That's good to know!


Yes, Mobil 1 has changed it’s Formula, The process of cracking the base stock is different but the outcome is the same. There is no difference between group3 and group 4 except the name! API has proclaimed Hydrocracked group 3 better.

Considering the “old” Dyno oil preformed just as well as the old standard group 4 oil it stands to reason it would perform just as well or better today. If group 4 hasn’t changed.

BTW Amsoil buys there base oil from Mobil!
 

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hmmm sound like any motors around these parts???
So you think using volunteered information is legitimate and sound testing is not legitimate!

The oil works on the bearing and piston walls not a turbo or supercharger! The OPs Premise is that MC and dM1 have higher wear on those parts.
 

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WOW dude you are just sad. That's the tech you decided to use to validate your claims?

Actually it is comical, you really have not been doing your oil research, or perhaps you just stopped after reading that relic of an article.

That is so messed up it is not even worth analyzing all the flawed assumptions and their lack of application to this discussion.

At least you tried.
We can now feel a little more justified in ignoring you going forward, at least I can.
You just exposed yourself.
 
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I would love them to perform that test over again. This time, being in 2011....

and let's compare all of the group II and III API SM/SN formulations to all of the true group IV/V API SL/SJ formulations.

Asmoil, Red Line, and Royal Purple

Versus

Mobil 1, Castrol, Quaker State, Motorcraft, and any other you can think of.

Then we can talk.
 

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So you think using volunteered information is legitimate and sound testing is not legitimate!

The oil works on the bearing and piston walls not a turbo or supercharger! The OPs Premise is that MC and dM1 have higher wear on those parts.


testing is very legit, however what you're sighting is not relevant to the motors we all have. So there is no purpose to posting it.

Your continued protests are really making you look silly IMHO.
 

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The entire Mobeydick controversy began when he insisted that OAI (Oil Analyzers Inc.) was biased towards Amsoil lubricants because OAI is owned by Amsoil. When I argued that Polaris Labs is actually the testing company, and they are not owned by Amsoil, he still insisted they are biased. He was so hardcore about his statements that we got into other disagreements about the current formulations of Mobil 1.

So, what did I do that made he so upset? I sent my sample of Amsoil 20W-50 to both Blackstone and OAI (Polaris Labs) to have it analyzed. See the link below.

Amsoil 20W-50 UOA here - Both labs included

After I proved to him that OAI was not biased towards Amsoil, he faded away and I never heard from him again. That is, until this thread.

Then he began stalking me on every forum I post in, copying and pasting posts, repeat posting in every forum, in every thread. It was like he was on a mission to get back at me for making him look so misinformed. You would swear that I stole his wife!
 

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UB - looks like you have a stalker!

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:lol:
 

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WOW dude you are just sad. That's the tech you decided to use to validate your claims?

Actually it is comical, you really have not been doing your oil research, or perhaps you just stopped after reading that relic of an article.

That is so messed up it is not even worth analyzing all the flawed assumptions and their lack of application to this discussion.

At least you tried.
We can now feel a little more justified in ignoring you going forward, at least I can.
You just exposed yourself.

I just spent an hour on the phone with Unleashedbeast.

I'm comfortable with his data and his explanations. I do not believe his data is biased. In fact the oil I run for Road Racing and my frequency in oil change along with volume (larger oil pan) convince me that his post is TECHNICAL AND NON-BIASED OPINION with empirical data.

We will run further testing on my vehicle and others.

This is good data and good technical discussion.
 

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I would love them to perform that test over again. This time, being in 2011....

and let's compare all of the group II and III API SM/SN formulations to all of the true group IV/V API SL/SJ formulations.

Asmoil, Red Line, and Royal Purple

Versus

Mobil 1, Castrol, Quaker State, Motorcraft, and any other you can think of.

Then we can talk.

Don't forget Motul including the race forumula :)

Back to the general debate on the validity of the posts. Unleashed has posted very useful information and others have as well. I appreciate it.

I don't think anyone expects double-blind fully controlled oil tests fit for journal publishing to be on a web forum. When individuals post used oil analysis results here, it helps people make a better informed decision as to what oil they want to use if they are looking for better protection, a general idea how far they can go between oil changes, and see details of engine debri at various stages of mileage.

In my case, I ran several different brands of oil through previous turbo cars to see how they held up. Some did significantly worse than others and I was glad I changed each one at about 2K miles as some were done by then. I simply am not willing to be the test bunny on my GT500. Everyone, I hope, understands that the actual test results need to be taken with a grain of salt due to a number of variables that can impact the tests such as driving style, mods, climate, dust, etc. That being said, it is still useful information. You just need common sense to know how the tests can be useful to your particular situation. The UOA tests take away the guess work and opinion. I, for one, don't give a crap if you and your family have always used XYZ oil for 25 years and say you've never had an engine failure. Good for you...that tells me nothing other than the oil kept it from failing.

There really should be a sticky thread where actual UOA tests are posted with the basic car info attached - location, mods, driving style, tracked or not and if so, 1/8, 1/4, road racing, HPDE. Nothing else.

People use crap Lexol and Armor All too...it's ok but not in the same league as Leatherique. People use turtle wax...great...I look for something better. These oil threads are in the same vain - looking for something better than "meh, good enough". If this does not apply to you, you don't need to post in this thread. A lot of us are pretty smart here and don't need someone to save us from the evil of the internet.
 
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About the only thing positive to come out of Moby's:bash: posting in the last 68 posts of this thread, was he made sure every one in this thread knows a reputable source for Amsoil products , Heck Beast may just owe him a Thank You.:banana:

Back on Topic
I cant wait to see if the silicon goes down in Beast's latest sample.

Oil and Air filtration choice is more important than oil brand IMO
 

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That's a good point.

Actually something I heard from a local shop was the the MC oil filter was just a rebadged WIX or Purolator filter (can't remember which one he said). Has anyone else heard that before??

I'm about to get my first oil change here on the 11' gt500 soon, will be going to redline more than likely so I can at least say I've been using the proper weight. I'm also switching my tranny fluid to Redline as well to see if that helps the grinding issues.

Filters I'm not sure on yet....amsoil maybe....purolator....wix....which may be MC anyway! lol
 

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I cut some open

couldn't find much data on the regular filters , but Amsoil was kind enough to supply plenty of info on theirs, quite impressive if you ask me...
Amsoil
Absolute Efficiency
AMSOIL Ea Oil Filters have one of the best efficiency ratings in the automotive/light-truck market. Ea Oil Filters provide a filtering efficiency in accordance with industry standard ISO 4548-12 of 98.7 percent at 15 microns, while competitive filters containing conventional cellulose media range from 40 to 80 percent efficiency at 15 microns.
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take your pick
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how bout this baby

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Another Fram (this one is the "Tough Guard" one)
which is suppose to be better
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vanjuen,

Read up on the technology of Donaldson/Amsoil Nano Fiber media oil filters. The new media allows the filtration of particles down to 15 microns @ 98.7% efficiency, yet still free flow as well as your cheapest filters that only filter to 20 microns @ similar efficiency.

Nano filber filter media technology was developed by Donaldson for the M1 Abrams Tank. The military required air filtration that was able to filter the finest dirt particles in the deserts of Iraq, be cleanable in the field (no oil allowed), and flow enough air to allow the high horsepower turbines to breathe. They gave the military exactly what they were looking for, and more.


Shady,

Thanks for the pics.
 
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