08 GT500 vs 12 5.0

[QuickC5Z]

Not sure where you get your stats for weight but my base 5.0 coupe is right at 3500, cobra base coupe is 3650 and up. This cobra was also a vert, which adds a little more weight.

Every time I have seen curb weight numbers for 5.0s they were over 3600lbs. But whether they were fully loaded or base, I don't know. Nor do I know what the difference in weight between the two are. You at 3500 lbs and him being a vert he would still have a power to weight advantage over you.

 

[MustangMikeKy]

Every time I have seen curb weight numbers for 5.0s they were over 3600lbs. But whether they were fully loaded or base, I don't know. Nor do I know what the difference in weight between the two are. You at 3500 lbs and him being a vert he would still have a power to weight advantage over you.

3480 for a M6 base

 

[MustangMikeKy]

Every time I have seen curb weight numbers for 5.0s they were over 3600lbs. But whether they were fully loaded or base, I don't know. Nor do I know what the difference in weight between the two are. You at 3500 lbs and him being a vert he would still have a power to weight advantage over you.

You are too hung up on dyno numbers. N/A power that is close to the Fi numbers, will usually run better. 40 rwhp and prob 200 lbs difference in weight, my gearing is better. There are a lot of reasons, my car pulling that car shouldn't be a shock. But I can't say I didn't expect the doubt on here. Most people that argue with me about this have never driven one, let alone a full Bolton one. I've had an 04 cobra, pullied, whippled, and then SRA'd. I know both sides of the story, and my car feels every bit as fast as my pullied car. Although, when it was real cold outside, my pullied car ran much better. Trapped near 121-122, in the heat, 118. And it also made 474 rwhp.

 

[QuickC5Z]

You are too hung up on dyno numbers. N/A power that is close to the Fi numbers, will usually run better. 40 rwhp and prob 200 lbs difference in weight, my gearing is better. There are a lot of reasons, my car pulling that car shouldn't be a shock. But I can't say I didn't expect the doubt on here. Most people that argue with me about this have never driven one, let alone a full Bolton one. I've had an 04 cobra, pullied, whippled, and then SRA'd. I know both sides of the story, and my car feels every bit as fast as my pullied car. Although, when it was real cold outside, my pullied car ran much better. Trapped near 121-122, in the heat, 118. And it also made 474 rwhp.

Its not just dyno numbers. Cobras have pretty good power curves as well. And since they have very flat torque curves, and dont need short gears like a N/A high revving engine does. The gearing doesn't give you an advantage, just evens things out. Regardless, it should be close, i just would expect the Cobra to be a car to car and a half out infront of you. Your old Cobra made 474 rwhp, and going by the trap speed would put a few cars on your 5.0.

 

[MustangMikeKy]

Its not just dyno numbers. Cobras have pretty good power curves as well. And since they have very flat torque curves, and dont need short gears like a N/A high revving engine does. The gearing doesn't give you an advantage, just evens things out. Regardless, it should be close, i just would expect the Cobra to be a car to car and a half out infront of you. Your old Cobra made 474 rwhp, and going by the trap speed would put a few cars on your 5.0.

In cold air, I'm sure it would, in the heat, it only went 118.

 

[Black*Death]

My car trapped right at 118 in the heat, if you think 5.0's are turds, well then, my 11 second passes are as slow as 11 seconds can be.

I thought "bolt-on 5.0's were in the high 390's-415 RWHP? Now they are 435 RWHP and are hanging with F/I 470 rwhp Cobra?

so your running 11.999? That is "as slow" as most tracks time an 11 second run?


I would like to see more on that 470 RWHP Cobra

 

[QuickC5Z]

In cold air, I'm sure it would, in the heat, it only went 118.

Ok so thats why that Cobra looked so slow you raced. It was heat soaked.

 

[MustangMikeKy]

I thought "bolt-on 5.0's were in the high 390's-415 RWHP? Now they are 435 RWHP and are hanging with F/I 470 rwhp Cobra?

so your running 11.999? That is "as slow" as most tracks time an 11 second run?


I would like to see more on that 470 RWHP Cobra

I went 11.94 with 420 rwhp. And trapped only 115. I've since made 435 and trapped around 118 on some regular tire passes. On a slick, I'm sure a 11.5 or 11.6 wouldn't be hard at all, seeing as how my 11.9 was on an 18 inch nt05r

 

[MustangMikeKy]

Ok so thats why that Cobra looked so slow you raced. It was heat soaked.

I mean, if you want to speculate excuses as to why cars lose, by all means. You can clearly see my car pulling ahead in the video, and the cobra under power.

 

[QuickC5Z]

I mean, if you want to speculate excuses as to why cars lose, by all means. You can clearly see my car pulling ahead in the video, and the cobra under power.

Aint no speculation or excuses. Nor did I say your car didnt pull ahead. I said the Cobra was slow for having 470 rwhp. It was obviously heat soaked. You even gave an example of this of your old Cobra on how it would put a few cars on you if it's not heat soaked. At that pont it's not making 470 rwhp.

 

[MustangMikeKy]

Aint no speculation or excuses. Nor did I say your car didnt pull ahead. I said the Cobra was slow for having 470 rwhp. It was obviously heat soaked. You even gave an example of this of your old Cobra on how it would put a few cars on you if it's not heat soaked. At that pont it's not making 470 rwhp.

It's all bench racing and speculation. But the fact still remains my 5.0 pulled a pullied cobra, and it wasn't the first time. Rolling down the interstate getting ready for a roll in cool weather prevents heat soak, the heat exchangers have cold air running across them constantly. I have no doubt this car was near full power.

 

[BlueSnake01]

You are too hung up on dyno numbers. N/A power that is close to the Fi numbers, will usually run better. 40 rwhp and prob 200 lbs difference in weight, my gearing is better. There are a lot of reasons, my car pulling that car shouldn't be a shock. But I can't say I didn't expect the doubt on here. Most people that argue with me about this have never driven one, let alone a full Bolton one. I've had an 04 cobra, pullied, whippled, and then SRA'd. I know both sides of the story, and my car feels every bit as fast as my pullied car. Although, when it was real cold outside, my pullied car ran much better. Trapped near 121-122, in the heat, 118. And it also made 474 rwhp.

In cold air, I'm sure it would, in the heat, it only went 118.

So what exactly was the point of the video? :shrug: Your pullied Cobra was faster than the 5.0 and running as fast in the heat vs the 5.0. Those 200lbs make quite a difference especially in the engine bay, the power to weight ratio is VERY close on both of your cars, 5.0 and Cobra.

I went 11.94 with 420 rwhp. And trapped only 115. I've since made 435 and trapped around 118 on some regular tire passes. On a slick, I'm sure a 11.5 or 11.6 wouldn't be hard at all, seeing as how my 11.9 was on an 18 inch nt05r

So you gained 3 MPH when you added 15whp more? That doesnt make any sense at all. Also making 430whp on just exhaust, tune and intake is not common. Most 5.0's ive seen are barely making that with race gas or meth along with your mods.

Not knocking down the 5.0 at all, I think its a great car. Your numbers with your mods are not the norm from what ive seen before. Still finding the video pointless when you yourself posted that your pullied Cobra was faster and as fast in the heat.

 

[MustangMikeKy]

So what exactly was the point of the video? :shrug: Your pullied Cobra was faster than the 5.0 and running as fast in the heat vs the 5.0. Those 200lbs make quite a difference especially in the engine bay, the power to weight ratio is VERY close on both of your cars, 5.0 and Cobra.



So you gained 3 MPH when you added 15whp more? That doesnt make any sense at all. Also making 430whp on just exhaust, tune and intake is not common. Most 5.0's ive seen are barely making that with race gas or meth along with your mods.

Not knocking down the 5.0 at all, I think its a great car. Your numbers with your mods are not the norm from what ive seen before. Still finding the video pointless when you yourself posted that your pullied Cobra was faster and as fast in the heat.

I've not ran my 5.0 in cold weather with the new mods. I still haven't had a great DA for any pass I've made in the car(over 1k ft every time). I did get to run my cobra back in the day and it was consistently 118-121. The first couple of passes I've made in my 5.0 on the new mods were all 117+. My car also set the N/A coyote record on our local dyno here, more than boss intake and driveshaft cars. My car made 15 more peak hp, but the entire curve shifted to the left 12-15 rwhp and trq, and if you know anything about that, is that it's going to run much better than just the 15 rwhp it seems it made more. I posted my video in response to some of the ignorant statements about a 5.0 and a pullied cobra not being a close race, it has been close in all my races, and I'm yet to lose to one. The above being the closest I've had. The quickest my cobra ever went at the track was 11.76, I'm certain my 5.0 would do better than that with JUST a slick/ply.

Don't get me wrong, I love terminators and I am in the process of switching back to one if I can find one that hasn't been abused and they don't want a million dollars for it, but I love my 5.0, it runs great, there is only a few things I can do to make it faster without nitrous or getting really expensive.

 

[Nasty500]

lol some good laugh's in this thread and lots of ricer logic

 

[assasinator]

Your Cobra ignorance amazes me..."ass*sinator"..LOL....Since I am likely 3400 pounds and not using dynojet numbers..Car does alright....

Never claimed to be the fastest? How much is your S/C car putting down?

Oh wait your not S/Cd? Like a typical 5.0 Noob you look at HP numbers and think that tells all.

I am using essentially the smallest S/C Procharger makes...I could switch to the D1SC and make north north of 600 RWHP but I have dumped enough money into the car for now.

So your theoretically S/C'd 11 GT would make HP than me? Theoretical mind you..

Amazing when a bolt-on 5.0 owner tells guy making 125-150 more RWHP he feels sorry for him.

I actually feel sorry for you. I guess ignorance is bliss?

Scary Avatar you got there..

cant say how much your words hurt my feelings. words like 'noob'. who the **** uses a word like that anyway? lol.

 

[assasinator]

I thought "bolt-on 5.0's were in the high 390's-415 RWHP? Now they are 435 RWHP and are hanging with F/I 470 rwhp Cobra?

so your running 11.999? That is "as slow" as most tracks time an 11 second run?


I would like to see more on that 470 RWHP Cobra

lol now who is the uninformed idiot.

xpipe / tune ONLY is 398rwhp. you are about three years behind.....noob. lol. look i can use that word too. you kill me.

 

[Black*Death]

lol now who is the uninformed idiot.

xpipe / tune ONLY is 398rwhp. you are about three years behind.....noob. lol. look i can use that word too. you kill me.

Glad to entertain you ass asinator.

What is your definition of bolt-on? A Boss intake or CobraJet intake is not what I consider bolt-on

Google this word-"semantics"..then my other post will make more sense to you.

But only do it after putting 1 in Da Head and 2 in Da chest...LOL...

 

[Riptide]

It took an hour to swap the intake on a '11 GT. Seems pretty bolton'ish to me but whatever.

From what I've read the 07-09 shelbys are near their limits at 650-700. Not sure if that is the MY and hp level someone was referring to as "stage 1" earlier or not.

 

[Serpent]

Tire, tune, exhaust? no way mustangmikey, you are defying the laws of physics!
Forget that these 5.0's can launch hard especially with the right tires.

Its pretty funny reading what all of the doubters/haters have to say. Only way they'll believe a kill is if it was from a boss or higher.

 

[blackvette101]

It took an hour to swap the intake on a '11 GT. Seems pretty bolton'ish to me but whatever.

From what I've read the 07-09 shelbys are near their limits at 650-700. Not sure if that is the MY and hp level someone was referring to as "stage 1" earlier or not.

I'm not sure who told you that. But all 07-12 Shelby's have the same internals and the generally accepted safe limit is between 800-850 rwhp depending on who you ask.