VooDoo Blows up

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Gabe9195

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oh my,
sorry for your lost
L* boys are gonna have a blast with this

Translation?

I'm assuming he means loss, not lost, and LS, not L*
So yeah, he's saying the Chevy "boys" are gonna laugh about a GT350 losing its engine at such low mileage.
Cuz apparently no Chevy engine ever blew at low mileage :nonono:
 

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Cuz apparently no Chevy engine ever blew at low mileage :nonono:

ya there was definitely no thread about a black C7 that only made it a few miles down the road from the dealer before puking its guts out in the middle of the road.

is there anything worse than fan bois?
 

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So if you keep everybody in the loop. Ford was fantastic with their warranty and quick to get a replacement motor. They said it was the only fully assembled crate motor in the United States. Ford flew in the brass to inspect the teardown of the factory motor. It threw a rod bearing on the #4 cylinder. The head engineer left with the piston in Rod in a briefcase. They were given specific direction on installing the new motor and told the head mechanic to put 100 breaking miles per the engineers specifications. I picked up the car. drove it for a day and a half and check engine light came on. Dropped it of today at Ford service and was notified of a misfire on number four and number eight cylinder. Getting plugs for it tomorrow and going from there. I'm really trying to keep my cool but why would a brand-new motor have problems with the spark plugs? There are some second hand things that were said to me that I don't want to disclose at this time. i've gone from motorcross to shifter karts To road racing. I'm not going to abuse this motor when its new!! Have I opened it up some ? Yes. This is acting Like a race motor that is tuned to the edge.
If they have to tear down the top end tomorrow I'm going to be sick !
 

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So Ford gave you a new motor, dealership put a 100 miles on it, & now after you drive it there are issues ?
Would like to know what you were told that you didn't post here !!!
 

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There are some second hand things that were said to me that I don't want to disclose at this time.

Might just be my opinion, but if you aren't going to share the whole story, don't share any of it.
 

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They were given specific direction on installing the new motor and told the head mechanic to put 100 breaking miles per the engineers specifications.

LOL at "engineer specified break-in miles" :smmon:


There are some second hand things that were said to me that I don't want to disclose at this time.!

new ford TSB/flash to reduce redline and max hp in 3..2...1..... :pop:
 

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So if you keep everybody in the loop. Ford was fantastic with their warranty and quick to get a replacement motor. They said it was the only fully assembled crate motor in the United States. Ford flew in the brass to inspect the teardown of the factory motor. It threw a rod bearing on the #4 cylinder. The head engineer left with the piston in Rod in a briefcase. They were given specific direction on installing the new motor and told the head mechanic to put 100 breaking miles per the engineers specifications. I picked up the car. drove it for a day and a half and check engine light came on. Dropped it of today at Ford service and was notified of a misfire on number four and number eight cylinder. Getting plugs for it tomorrow and going from there. I'm really trying to keep my cool but why would a brand-new motor have problems with the spark plugs? There are some second hand things that were said to me that I don't want to disclose at this time. i've gone from motorcross to shifter karts To road racing. I'm not going to abuse this motor when its new!! Have I opened it up some ? Yes. This is acting Like a race motor that is tuned to the edge.
If they have to tear down the top end tomorrow I'm going to be sick !

There is a lot to plug in on these motors. I doubt there is anything internal. Just something not right in the connections.

At this point, I'm sure the dealer/Ford would not want to fess up they missed something on the install. I suspect they are doing their best to make it right by you.

Also did you actually see the failed #4 Rod/ Bearing and what was the condition of the rest of the motor?
 
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I hope this was an anomaly. I hope these motors dont have rod bearing issues like the 3rd gen viper v10's did.
 

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So if you keep everybody in the loop. Ford was fantastic with their warranty and quick to get a replacement motor. They said it was the only fully assembled crate motor in the United States. Ford flew in the brass to inspect the teardown of the factory motor. It threw a rod bearing on the #4 cylinder. The head engineer left with the piston in Rod in a briefcase. They were given specific direction on installing the new motor and told the head mechanic to put 100 breaking miles per the engineers specifications. I picked up the car. drove it for a day and a half and check engine light came on. Dropped it of today at Ford service and was notified of a misfire on number four and number eight cylinder. Getting plugs for it tomorrow and going from there. I'm really trying to keep my cool but why would a brand-new motor have problems with the spark plugs? There are some second hand things that were said to me that I don't want to disclose at this time. i've gone from motorcross to shifter karts To road racing. I'm not going to abuse this motor when its new!! Have I opened it up some ? Yes. This is acting Like a race motor that is tuned to the edge.
If they have to tear down the top end tomorrow I'm going to be sick !

Flying Harley, the fact that it now has a misfire on #4 and #8 after eating #4 previously is suspicious. Cyls #4 and #8 are both at the rear of their respective banks, and when they both misfire, it is often due to fuel system contamination (the debris accumulates at the rear of the fuel rails.) When they put the new motor in, was it complete with intake manifold, rails and injectors? If they reused those parts, that could be the root cause. Also remember these flat plane crank v-8s vibrate like a MOFO (Ford did 30 different things outside of the block to reduce vibration.) This includes a dual-mass flywheel, which I never liked. Someone over on Mustang6g had a Voodoo fail around 100 mi, and one of the 12 bolts holding the bellhousing the the trans vibrated loose, got stuck between the bellhousing and flywheel, causing engine failure.
Good luck, I hope they figure it out.
Jodie, Ford senior master tech 22 yrs (retired)

P.S. Not to be critical of your driving habits, but doing burnouts near the rev limiter is one of the worst things you can do to an engine. One of our race car drivers did this to our car, the engine failed the next race, and this was an EXPENSIVE Keith Dorton dry sump sbc.
 

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Flying Harley, the fact that it now has a misfire on #4 and #8 after eating #4 previously is suspicious. Cyls #4 and #8 are both at the rear of their respective banks, and when they both misfire, it is often due to fuel system contamination (the debris accumulates at the rear of the fuel rails.) When they put the new motor in, was it complete with intake manifold, rails and injectors? If they reused those parts, that could be the root cause. Also remember these flat plane crank v-8s vibrate like a MOFO (Ford did 30 different things outside of the block to reduce vibration.) This includes a dual-mass flywheel, which I never liked. Someone over on Mustang6g had a Voodoo fail around 100 mi, and one of the 12 bolts holding the bellhousing the the trans vibrated loose, got stuck between the bellhousing and flywheel, causing engine failure.
Good luck, I hope they figure it out.
Jodie, Ford senior master tech 22 yrs (retired)

P.S. Not to be critical of your driving habits, but doing burnouts near the rev limiter is one of the worst things you can do to an engine. One of our race car drivers did this to our car, the engine failed the next race, and this was an EXPENSIVE Keith Dorton dry sump sbc.

The question I have is why would/could there be fuel system contamination with the car being brand new? Seems nearly impossible, so could there be anything else that comes to mind?
 

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OP stated there was a rod bearing failure on the #4 cylinder. If this is correct, as an engineer who has worked on motorsports teams, I am speculating on likely causes of very early bearing failure....foreign particulate, assembly error, lubrication issue and overloading. Obviously there are many other causes of failure but I think they are much less likely with this case. I would love to know what they find but we will probably never know.
 

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Do you think the current misfire is an anomaly not related to the initial failure? Since the master tech brought it up, I'm hopeful he'll chime in too.
 

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Do you think the current misfire is an anomaly not related to the initial failure? Since the master tech brought it up, I'm hopeful he'll chime in too.

It could be related, or it could be unrelated. Also, when replacing the engine, balancer, flywheel, or clutch the "misfire monitor neutral profile correction relearn" procedure needs to be done, or false misfire codes can be set. Any true misfires that set a code should be able to be felt.

Oh, and by the way, I am a "she.";-)
 
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I worked for 22 years as a Ford dealership technician. Unfortunately, I had to stop doing that due to osteoarthritis and nerve damage in the hands from carpal tunnel syndrome.
 
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