Nitrous C6 Z06 vs 2.9 Whipple GT500

[mustangbee]

Z's won't race at the drag strip. They know they will get slaughtered.




The stock block is about maxed with a 150 shot of NOS. Any higher... you'll see flying Z pistons. There is a reason why the ZR1 didn't use the Z06 motor...

dude your such a hater. i love how some ppl cant respect other cars and actually enjoy their weaknesses...EVERYTHING you stated above is wrong or exaggerated, but i'm not arguing with you over the next 3 pages until you submit or leave...

and this, doesnt even make sense....

"The stock block is about maxed with a 150 shot of NOS. Any higher... you'll see flying Z pistons"

oh so its ABOUT maxxed, but ANY HIGHER and its over? :smmon: interesting.

so whats the magic number since you understand ALL tunes?

 

[z-eater]

C6Z's have runs 10 bone stock, whose laughing now? :shrug:

you might scratch the 3.4 whipple and go with a set of twins, it's your only shot at beating a c6z with h/c/nitrous.

I m sure you wouldnt be able to run 10s stock. Only two people have done it. They are nice cars and I would buy one before gt500 unless is 2010.

 

[burnin4]

Most C6Z at the track here run 12's. Sure there are some freaks than may get a 10 if the planets align right. There are also GT500's running stock superchargers running 10's. Its all about the setup. Not just power. Whippled GT500 with proper setups can run low 9's. The most extreme GT500 running TT's runs 7's.

I can make anything run a 10. I can make a Ford Focus run a 10 with 70 grand. Fact of the matter is .. its THOUSANDS cheaper to run 10's with GT500 than a C6 Z06.

just like all stock gt500's run low to mid 13's here. we can forget what everyone else has done, and stick to a 3.4 whippled cobra vs a h/c/nitrous c6z .

 

[burnin4]

I m sure you wouldnt be able to run 10s stock. Only two people have done it. They are nice cars and I would buy one before gt500 unless is 2010.

you are correct, I was just pointing out that a stock c6z has run 10's, just like he was pointing out stock gt500's have run low 12's. it doesnt happen often, but it has happened. aside from what everyone else has ran, I'm only interested in what he can run in his gt500, with relatively no performance upgrades.

just for the record, I love gt500's. they quite possibly posses the 2nd best engine that has ever been put in a stock car, behind the 2JZ. I just hate that they take sooo much extra power to compensate for the remaining deficiencies.

I have personally driven a 600whp gt500, and it was a blast. it felt like it was significantly faster than my intake/headers z, but moments later I hoped back into my z and destroyed it with only 480whp, and I mean it wasnt even close

both cars are awesome, much can be enjoyed from both, but for a true sports/performance car the C6Z owns the GT500 in virtually every category, including price (which it should).

 

[mustangbee]

I can make anything run a 10. I can make a Ford Focus run a 10 with 70 grand. Fact of the matter is .. its THOUSANDS cheaper to run 10's with GT500 than a C6 Z06.

gawd, just read that about 4 times.

SOOOOO, wouldnt it be better to have the focus??:smmon:

 

[NA_Cobra]

Had my car for 5 months. -150 lbs+, Full Suspension, and 3.4 Whipple goes on in a month. You want a slaughter... I hand you one when I'm done. I just don't toss on a bunch of power... I mod the suspension first, weight loss, and then toss on crazy power. I'm on power mods next.

GT500's run low 12's stock with only a bit of a traction fix. Your a funny man. I can torch a stock Z06 at the track with my current mods and I havn't even really put any HP mods on yet.

I love how a 70k car can be on SUCH AN OFFENSIVE over a 40k car made to haul 4 people.

When are you kids going to grow up and stop using the MSRP argument. C6Z blows the GT500 away in every performance category you can mention. Paying the extra for braking, handling, etc is very well worth it.

 

[burnin4]

not to beat a dead horse about msrp values of the gt500 vs the c6z06, but here is today's EXACT black book (dealer) used car values...

2007 GT500 cp $31,400
2007 C6Z06 $43,850

so for those of you that are considering each of these cars, the C6Z will/should cost you about $12,450 more. it's up to you to decide if the value is worth it to you or not, the "better" car is subjective. for me, I would love to have a vert with backseats, but I prefer to go really fast instead :-D

 

[stangliter04]

When are you kids going to grow up and stop using the MSRP argument. C6Z blows the GT500 away in every performance category you can mention. Paying the extra for braking, handling, etc is very well worth it.

I'm with you on the MSRP thing... a lot like when you go on LS1tech and everyone is crying because a 03/04 Cobra "COMES WITH A BLOWER"

 

[Grabber]

I guess the Z is the better bang for buck.

Oh wait, isn't the motor on the GT500 forged, and can handle double the power and boost the Z motor can? Nope, guess not.

I ask this to the Z owners. If a GT500 weighed 3200 lbs, and was stock, what would happen?

Also, Corvettes are godly gorgeous, but, my foot won't go through a GT500 Door. It will on your Vette though. I'd rather have a FAST car and a SAFE car. Who cars about how a car can do 180 MPH. We should care about what guy would live in what car, and so on.

Everyone needs to stop comparing MSRP to this and that. They are two completely different cars. One has a back seat, the other barely has a trunk. Two different cars.

Instead of comparing a GT500 to a Z, compare a newer model Ford GT to a C6Z, rather than doing what a couple idiots in here and another thread have done, and compare the first model GT against the newest Z.

Price is not an issue. You get what you pay for.

 

[stangliter04]

And compare a GT500 to a new SS Camaro!

 

[ChiSVT]

sit tight, there will be a vid posted today/soon of me raping a 600whp evo from a dig :coolman:

but yes, you are right, 99% of c6z's prefer to go from a roll, it's where we shine.

I'd like to see that, a 600whp EVO is no joke on the street.

not to beat a dead horse about msrp values of the gt500 vs the c6z06, but here is today's EXACT black book (dealer) used car values...

2007 GT500 cp $31,400
2007 C6Z06 $43,850

so for those of you that are considering each of these cars, the C6Z will/should cost you about $12,450 more. it's up to you to decide if the value is worth it to you or not, the "better" car is subjective. for me, I would love to have a vert with backseats, but I prefer to go really fast instead :-D

Vettes depreciate like crazy. I actually was posting links to Z06s for under $40K in another thread. The actual market value of the GT500 is higher than what it books for, the Z06s true market value in a lot of cases is LESS than what it books for.

I remember back in 04 I wanted a 02+ C5Z, with low miles they were going for $32-$34K, 03 Cobras with low miles were going for $23-$24K. Now the same c5Zs have depreciated another $10,000+ where as my Mustang hasn't even depreciated 1/5th that.

You can get a 2005-2006 C6 for nearly the same price as a low mileage 03 Cobra! Think about that, a C6 with a $50,000 MSRP that's 2-3 years newer nearly the same price as a Mustang that had a $34,000 MSRP. That's massive depreciation.

Here is a fully loaded C6 with 3X,XXXmiles
2005 Chevrolet Corvette in MILFORD, MI 48184: Coupe Details - 264209440 - AutoTrader.com

2003 Cobra nearly the same mileage.
2003 Ford Mustang in Bechtelsville, PA 19505: Coupe Details - 265951087 - AutoTrader.com

In all my rambling, my point is that the price difference falls drastically when comparing used car values. That's why my next car will be a C6 or if I can swing it a C6Z, the price you can pickup used ones for is unbeatable.

 

[blkGT500nCA]

you are correct, I was just pointing out that a stock c6z has run 10's, just like he was pointing out stock gt500's have run low 12's. it doesnt happen often, but it has happened. aside from what everyone else has ran, I'm only interested in what he can run in his gt500, with relatively no performance upgrades.

just for the record, I love gt500's. they quite possibly posses the 2nd best engine that has ever been put in a stock car, behind the 2JZ. I just hate that they take sooo much extra power to compensate for the remaining deficiencies.

I have personally driven a 600whp gt500, and it was a blast. it felt like it was significantly faster than my intake/headers z, but moments later I hoped back into my z and destroyed it with only 480whp, and I mean it wasnt even close



both cars are awesome, much can be enjoyed from both, but for a true sports/performance car the C6Z owns the GT500 in virtually every category, including price (which it should).

not to beat a dead horse about msrp values of the gt500 vs the c6z06, but here is today's EXACT black book (dealer) used car values...

2007 GT500 cp $31,400
2007 C6Z06 $43,850

so for those of you that are considering each of these cars, the C6Z will/should cost you about $12,450 more. it's up to you to decide if the value is worth it to you or not, the "better" car is subjective. for me, I would love to have a vert with backseats, but I prefer to go really fast instead :-D

Finally a logical Z owner. :beer: I couldn't agree more with what you said. Different strokes for different folks.

 

[burnin4]

I ask this to the Z owners. If a GT500 weighed 3200 lbs, and was stock, what would happen?

it would cost $150,000 :lol1: (Ford GT). isnt it basically the same motor? I'm not really sure, just asking.

imo, the Ford GT is the holy grail of american automobiles, and is the best Ford has ever been able to produce. I would buy one tomorrow if I could afford it. "unfortunately" I had to settle for a car that was 65k brand new and is easily on par in virtually every performance category as the FGT, just doesnt have the same novelty as the FGT.

Grabber, I know you were giving the Z props, just adding more info to this interesting thread.

 

[ChiSVT]

it would cost $150,000 :lol1: (Ford GT) isnt it basically the same motor? I'm not really sure, just asking.

The FGT motor is aluminum, different heads, cams, rods, dry sump oiling system and a factory twin screw, (basically a 2.3L whipple). As far as I know those are the only differences in the motor.

Basically the same differences you would find between different LSX variants minus the stroking and boring to create more displacement.

 

[NA_Cobra]

I guess the Z is the better bang for buck.

Oh wait, isn't the motor on the GT500 forged, and can handle double the power and boost the Z motor can? Nope, guess not.

I ask this to the Z owners. If a GT500 weighed 3200 lbs, and was stock, what would happen?

Also, Corvettes are godly gorgeous, but, my foot won't go through a GT500 Door. It will on your Vette though. I'd rather have a FAST car and a SAFE car. Who cars about how a car can do 180 MPH. We should care about what guy would live in what car, and so on.

Everyone needs to stop comparing MSRP to this and that. They are two completely different cars. One has a back seat, the other barely has a trunk. Two different cars.

Instead of comparing a GT500 to a Z, compare a newer model Ford GT to a C6Z, rather than doing what a couple idiots in here and another thread have done, and compare the first model GT against the newest Z.

Price is not an issue. You get what you pay for.

Sighing. This is such a sad and pathetic post:bored:

 

[Grabber]

it would cost $150,000 :lol1: (Ford GT). isnt it basically the same motor? I'm not really sure, just asking.

imo, the Ford GT is the holy grail of american automobiles, and is the best Ford has ever been able to produce. I would buy one tomorrow if I could afford it. "unfortunately" I had to settle for a car that was 65k brand new and is easily on par in virtually every performance category as the FGT, just doesnt have the same novelty as the FGT.

Grabber, I know you were giving the Z props, just adding more info to this interesting thread.

I hear ya man. I totally respect a Vettes. Hell, I have been lamenting the fact of trying to trade my Cobra for a C5Z in good condition with low miles, and already modded. I would love to have something different, and have a car that is very stable at high speeds(not that my Cobra isn't) and just get a better idea from the GM side of things.

For what they are, Vettes are great bang for bucks. They usually beat higher powered cars.

Now, the Ford GT has quite a few different things, as someone pointed out. If they switch to an Aluminum Block, that's about 100+ lbs right there. Not to mention the 70+ lb subwoofer, and the back seat. Remove all those things, you are looking at a 3500ish lb car. That is a big difference between the Z and the GT500. IMO, the GT500 is a great car, because it is loaded with great amenities, and has a terrific motor/drivetrain to boot.

:beer:

 

[blkGT500nCA]

The FGT motor is aluminum, different heads, cams, rods, dry sump oiling system and a factory twin screw, (basically a 2.3L whipple). As far as I know those are the only differences in the motor.

Basically the same differences you would find between different LSX variants minus the stroking and boring to create more displacement.

I thought the heads were the same? You're right about the other differences though. Oh, and it's in the back of the car.:banana:

 

[SCBQQSTN]

Who cares about how a car can do 180 MPH.

I do. Have you been 180+ mph in a sports car? its pretty damn fun :banana:

 

[meaty mac]

The FGT motor is aluminum, different heads, cams, rods, dry sump oiling system and a factory twin screw, (basically a 2.3L whipple). As far as I know those are the only differences in the motor.

You're wrong about the heads. Exact same bud.

 

[BayouVette]

damn this thread hurts my head..

I dont understand all the $$$ ifs and buts.. they basically paid the same amount for their car plus mods.. WGAF what they cost.. they could afford it and they bought it..

you can tell vette dude left early, but you got to admit from all of the races going around on the internet and listening to the guys racing the GT500 does need between 130-150+ hp to take down the C6Z... I dont see how anyone could really argue that.

But it does seem like there is a little hate between the cars in the races.. and there are a couple GT500 guys in here that seem to just hate the C6Z..