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Coyote vs ls motor's
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:bash: Haha reading comprehension owns you
You are the poster child for the statement ignorance is bliss. Are you saying that GM can't get more hp from their smaller displacement motors than they have with the bigger displacements e.g. ls2 vs ls3? Umm you really don't know lsx motors at all. Ever hear of the 5.7 ls6 it makes 405 hp. The 6.0 ls2 makes 400 hp. The 7.0 ls7 makes 505 hp the 6.2 ls9 and LSA, 638 and 555 hp. Putting ls3 heads on a ls2 is good for 25 rwhp, ask me how I know... Also they could have made 425 hp just by putting a bigger cam in the ls2 or ls6 for that matter. So there are 3 ways gm has just simply increased hp on smaller displacement motors by using things such as a cam, heads, and supercharging. Also the ls3 was designed for more cubic inches for low end torque and to better accommodate the active fuel management or vvt, the magical 16 cubic inches is not the sole reason it makes 422 hp. Second of all the ls3 motor isn't a stroked version of the ls2 it is bored. Third GM designed the ls motors long before the financial crisis they are currently in, your complete argument is the fail of a lifetime. Please never speak about LS motors again without first doing research and having some clue of what the heck you are talking about.
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your really not worth responding to anymore because you are too stupid to remember what you previously said in your last few posts.
You guys should get a room. I am admittedly more of a vette guy so does that make me a nutswinger? I fell in love with the Terminators ever since I got a ride in one and am really excited about what Ford is doing now. ( I even bought a good chunk of Ford stock.) Trying to argue what a motor will make with mods (that isn't even out yet) against a proven LS3 motor is silly. No doubt the 5.0 will impress, just give it the time to do so and your arguement will be so much easier. Most people on here can spot a fanboy but just because they make themselves look stupid doesn't give you an excuse to make yourself look foolish by knocking what is widely regaurded as a great series of engines (LSx).
Oh and a little inside news for you guys on the whole displacement advantage GM needs to compete, my source for the next base engine in the vette said it will be 5.0 litre engine. ( Maybe a 5.5 if they arent happy)
Anyways... carry on.
Edit- Shoud have read the whole post before commenting.... you two need to do a little more reading on the LS engines before you dig yourselves a deeper hole.
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I do agree with most of what you said but can you point out to me where in all of my 14 posts that I said something stupid?
Never said you were a fanboy or posted something so stupid that it caught my eye. I was simply saying that calling someone a fanboy and stooping to their level is not needed. It takes away from the thread. In this case, calling you a fanboy seems to be a case of " I dont really have a good arguement for what he just said so lets just call him names and hope somebody else comes to bat for me." My advice for them on fanboys is for their future benefit.
These two clearly don't know enough about the LSx motors to knock them.
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gotcha, Im with you then..thats basically what those too are all about. At least your one of the few to pick up on it ..and you gotta admit you laughed at the vanilla ice 5.0 video haha
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i dont see why the complaint on the rods. they are forged powder + new design is a huge improvement over 2v/3v/4v(mach, n/a cobra) and those people have made 450 rwhp and sprayed 175 shots on....so I dont see why the bottom end wont hold 550rwhp on a 175 shot?
In a 03 04 4V Cobra the rods will see that but you will not and let me be very hard bent on this will not get 450 plus out of a 2V 4.6 or the Lightning 2 V 5.4or the 3V 05GT and if you do have over that you are walking a very fine line. I have popped 3 motors in my Lightning. My brother popped his 05 3V. I wish I had all the money back that I spent messing with motors and did the smart thing and buy a set of rods and pistons from Mod Max and CP I would still be on that same motor with a lot more HP today.
Exactly.
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+2, it's getting pretty ridiculous around here lately..The LSX platform is AWESOME, but this shit about stock LSX bottom-ends handling 600-700-800hp reliably is just pure nonsense. :nonono:
Only if it is blown. certainly not N/A. GM has historically not done well with similar cubic inches to what Ford uses. They always have had to use much bigger engines to gain power. it is a fact. And the Zo6 is what.. 7 LITERS??? sheesh! and the ZR1 is 6.2 and that itself is huge too, but it is also BLOWN. Let's get real. The LS is a nice motor. But it is not greater than what For is doing even with less displacement. Ford has the efficiency down with dual OHC. the only thing that cost more in the ford is chaning the cams, because you have to buy two or four instead of 1.
the LS fanobyism is ridiculous. it is iron or aluminum, just like For uses, the pistons are the same material ford uses - as is the crank. It's hilarious. Ford's motors are simply more efficient. The new Camaros can be modified to be fast if you want to spend a ton of cash. No, contrary to rumor, it isn't cheap. And the tuners out there are getting so far, but nothing outrageous. both are great setups, but its close and the new 5 liter isn't even out yet. It's cheap factory parts that ford is using to get it out there into the masses. For is the only U.S. auto company to have survived and thrived with out big brother takeover. they did so by being financially prudent. Now, they have some competition and they step up - with an all new engine no less. From the factory, the engine needs to be built withing financial budgets and put into a car that is built better and is cheaper to buy than the Camaro. There is no way that it is maxed out from the factory. Time will tell here, but none of this GM fanboyism limiting the new motors capabilities in their own minds holds any water at all. the upcoming street wars will be interesting.
Well said!!!:beer:
but your wrong..... chevy aluminum and iron is better than ford aluminum and iron, even though they come from the same mine, foundry, forge, what have you. its on a chevy so its automatically better
Actually, its terribly said and much of it is wrong.
Jesus, he just said an LS3 and the 5.0L Coyote are "close". No, no they are not. Displacement plays a big factor, but the LS3 can make as much power at the rear wheels N/A as the Coyote is likely to make at the flywheel N/A. Its not the LS3's fault the Coyote only has 5.0L.
And 500rwhp N/A for $4,000 in parts IS CHEAP. A cam only car will get you to the mid 400's rwhp for even cheaper. Now that rear gears are coming out for the Camaro it will be VERY easy to make them go fast for cheap.
And this thing about Ford being more efficient. What are you basing that on? The closest recent NA engines we had to compare around the same timeframe were the 5.4L engine in the Cobra R and the 5.7L LS6 in the Z06. They were pretty comparable, but the 5.4L got worse gas mileage. When I look at efficiency, I look at power verus gas mileage. Now this can be difficult to compare as their are other variables, like weight, drag, tires, and gearing, but you can usually get a good idea. In general Ford as been behind in gas mileage on their V8's the last several years. Even the new 2011 Mustang with the Coyote is rumored to get the same mileage as the 2010 GT with a manual (16/24). Thats the same as the Camaro SS and the Mustang weighs 250-300lbs lighter and makes LESS power. It does a good job on power per liter though if that is how you are measuring efficiency.
Don't know much about Ford motors, so won't comment on them. I do know a thing or 2 about LS series motors though.
600rwhp is about the upper end for reliable power on a stock bottom end LS1, 2, 3, or 6. Not 700. It can be done, but you're rolling the dice. 550'ish is considered fairly safe with a good tune.
600rwhp is about the upper end for reliable power on a stock bottom end LS1, 2, 3, or 6. Not 700. It can be done, but you're rolling the dice. 550'ish is considered fairly safe with a good tune.
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Wow this discussion just keeps going back and forth. Everyone just needs to wait until the 2011 GT comes out and line it up next to the 2011 Camaro. Once you have them side by side compare every aspect of them. Take them on a road drive and compare gas mileage. Once you have finished that line them up and race to see who comes out on top in every way. Then and only then can one say it is better than the other.
I am not biased on either side. I enjoy both.
LSX series I have owned..
1999 Z28 A4
1999 Firehawk M6
2002 TransAm M6
2002 Firehawk M6
1999 Corvette Coupe M6
2004 Z06
Modular series I have owned
1996 Lincoln Mark VIII
2000 Mustang GT (auto)
2000 Lightning
2002 Mustang GT (5speed)
2003 Mach 1
(2) 2003 Mustang Cobras(1 yellow, 1 blue)
2006 Mustang GT 5-speed
My take...
If the modular isn't factory forced inducted, it cannot match the LSX series mod for mod. Period. While I dusted my share of LS1 f-bodies in my stock 4v mach. Once the mod game starts I lose.
I feel that with the lighter weight and SRA, the Coyote powered stang will edge out the camaro at the strip stock for stock. But the obvious advantage in the N/A mod game goes to the LS3 Camaro.
The chief engineer said there is power left on the table with the coyote, but it is already set up stout as is. Really all that can be done is a tune, As far as a tune gaing 40-50fwhp. I think it is possible. If ford did not unleash it all from the factory. Much like the C63. A tune for the C63 will yield 50whp. Yes, wheel hp. What an easter egg that would be! We can only hope.
Ever since the 99 Cobra epic fail, it seems ford has been underating their engines. I wouldn't be suprised if this puts down more than expected stock as well
Which would I rather have??? Easy. A used 07 GT500:banana: Seriously, I would take the stang gt over the new camaro ss. Just estatic the new GT is going to get balls and a 6 speed makes me want one.:rockon:
My .02
LSX series I have owned..
1999 Z28 A4
1999 Firehawk M6
2002 TransAm M6
2002 Firehawk M6
1999 Corvette Coupe M6
2004 Z06
Modular series I have owned
1996 Lincoln Mark VIII
2000 Mustang GT (auto)
2000 Lightning
2002 Mustang GT (5speed)
2003 Mach 1
(2) 2003 Mustang Cobras(1 yellow, 1 blue)
2006 Mustang GT 5-speed
My take...
If the modular isn't factory forced inducted, it cannot match the LSX series mod for mod. Period. While I dusted my share of LS1 f-bodies in my stock 4v mach. Once the mod game starts I lose.
I feel that with the lighter weight and SRA, the Coyote powered stang will edge out the camaro at the strip stock for stock. But the obvious advantage in the N/A mod game goes to the LS3 Camaro.
The chief engineer said there is power left on the table with the coyote, but it is already set up stout as is. Really all that can be done is a tune, As far as a tune gaing 40-50fwhp. I think it is possible. If ford did not unleash it all from the factory. Much like the C63. A tune for the C63 will yield 50whp. Yes, wheel hp. What an easter egg that would be! We can only hope.
Ever since the 99 Cobra epic fail, it seems ford has been underating their engines. I wouldn't be suprised if this puts down more than expected stock as well
Which would I rather have??? Easy. A used 07 GT500:banana: Seriously, I would take the stang gt over the new camaro ss. Just estatic the new GT is going to get balls and a 6 speed makes me want one.:rockon:
My .02
couldnt have said it any better.
Just be clear, that 4000 dollars was just for parts. WIth labor, looking at 6k.
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