01 cobra vs 2000 camaro SS? who do you think would win

[tt335ci03cobra]

Very cool run, awesome even. I don't see a4's really ever running 13.3's or better stock in most forums. Good to know its been done. I guess that 12.95 is like Evan j's 12.4@113 and jdm's 12.3@114 hero runs with bone stock 03 cobras.

It was a day in January with anywhere from -9xx to 3xx da depending on the time of day from what I read in the link. If he did it first thing in the morning, he would have gotten amazing -9xx density altitude air to run with, I'd love to get air like that up here haha, every summer it's like da 4500-5600 because of the heat/any humidity from a coming storm front.

Hero runs are for sure great bragging rights but they shouldnt be anything to go off of. A lot of 01 stock cobras have run 13.3-13.5 and a lot of a4 ls1's have run 13.4-13.7. Not a fine science and driver variance is the big difference as well as consitions. A poor driver in a cobra would lose easily. You pretty much have to be on kill mode to beat an a4 or shoddily driven m6 ls1. The a4 vs a bolt on cobra is a drivers race with odds favoring the cobra but an m6 vs a stock 01 is the m6's race to lose but it's happened. Not the norm but it happens.

In the real world, anything can happen though, run em op, the bench racing has gone on too long. If you can launch, and powershift at 6800rpms, then you have good odds to win if he is bone stock a4 like you said. Good luck.

 

[tt335ci03cobra]

Thread above sums it up. Reality here is the cobra will likely have traction issues with the gears and shit tires resulting in the 14 second a4 LS1 winning.

It's the kids race to lose, he has a faster car with a great driver but you are probably right that he won't drive it to its potential.

I've had several times where I hotshoe'd a buddy's car and did work. I got an 01 gt making 255whp to launch better, and keep ahead/ door to door with a stock 99 ss to 110 then he got ahead and we shut off at 120. It was one of my employees cars. His buddy had the ss and always raped him before 60. I showed them both how to wotshift, figure out a launch etc. good times.

 

[94 White T/A]

12's? Wow I've never heard of an a4 doing that stock, factory freak? Best I've seen is a 13.4


I know m6's are faster than stock 01's. that's a given. The a4's make about 20whp less than m6's though so they are equal with 01 cobras give or take and they are geared taller/shift slushier. The auto shifts the car right around 6k which is about 150-200rpms past the sweet spot from what I've seen.

I'm not saying either car is slow but I don't see a well driven bolt on geared 01 falling to an a4 in any type of race. I guess it's just my honest opinion but the a4's seem a little slower/ don't handle as well as their m6 counterparts.

That all said, they're all great bang/buck cars, so rock on to all the owners. It really feels like glory days when you can buy mid 13 to high 12 second cars for under $10k.

They are definitely a great bang for the buck. My clean 99 M6 T/A cost me $5500 with 120k on it. I haven't found another car that gives the kind of performance that car does for that price.

That being said, I would love a 03/04 cobra someday, possibly in the next 6 months, but for a tighter budget like I was on, the LS1 Fbody fit the bill perfectly

 

[tt335ci03cobra]

Hell ya 94, that's badass. Great buy.

03's are a great bargain potential wise because of the motor but honestlyc the money saved buying an fbody affords quite the long block build up haha.

I think the best value with terminators is used kb, whipple, and especially turbo cobras going for $18-22k. It's insane to me that you can buy a mid 10 to mid 9 or even high 8 second car for so cheap.

I've also seen fully built turbo fbody's selling for $16k, it's crazy what bargains are out there.

All said though, a well sorted project car is hard to find, it can be a nightmare if you but the wrong project car/aren't mechanically inclined to figure out its issues.

 

[Competition]

12's? Wow I've never heard of an a4 doing that stock, factory freak? Best I've seen is a 13.4


I know m6's are faster than stock 01's. that's a given. The a4's make about 20whp less than m6's though so they are equal with 01 cobras give or take and they are geared taller/shift slushier. The auto shifts the car right around 6k which is about 150-200rpms past the sweet spot from what I've seen.

I'm not saying either car is slow but I don't see a well driven bolt on geared 01 falling to an a4 in any type of race. I guess it's just my honest opinion but the a4's seem a little slower/ don't handle as well as their m6 counterparts.

That all said, they're all great bang/buck cars, so rock on to all the owners. It really feels like glory days when you can buy mid 13 to high 12 second cars for under $10k.

My brothers stock 2000 formula M6 went 13.4 @ 105

My stock 2000 Z28 A4 WITH 2.73s went 13.28 @ 107 stock.

Thread above sums it up. Reality here is the cobra will likely have traction issues with the gears and shit tires resulting in the 14 second a4 LS1 winning.

14 second A4? My a4 car almost dipped in the 12s stock, with 90k of rode hard put away wet miles on it!

 

[Kiohtee]

But LS1 F-Body's are low 14-second cars bro, no way your stock A4 did that, unless by stock you mean bolt-ons and a cam.

A 2001 Cobra is a 13.1 car all day! Now go get waxed with your new to you 14-second LS1. :lol:

 

[Pntbll309]

I got a papercut with all this racing going on.

 

[Stopsign32v]

Alot of the times I wish I had kept my Mach 1 stock just to see what it could have done.

 

[MACHXLR8]

Alot of the times I wish I had kept my Mach 1 stock just to see what it could have done.

How fun with that be? LOL
I always found that getting beat by a faster car, adding some mods, then re-running the same race to see how you improved always kept the hobby interesting to me........just hated the losing part though :lol1:

 

[Dirks9901]

The best I could muster when I was stock (Only mod was a steeda tri-ax) was 13.38x at 106. My first outing at the track was a bunch of 13.8's-14.00 at 104-105. After practice it ran in the 13.4-13.5 pretty consistent that year.

IME, it takes some practice to get good times out of 99-01's. I am not the best driver, but I think I can hold my own.

With the mods I have now, I ran bottom 13's are 107-108. Never could squeeze a 12 out of it but then again, I only went 2x that year. That was 2 years ago though. Its been down for 1+ years because I am in the process of a build.

All my buddies have LS1's. Its a mix of A4's and M6. With just bolt on's (lid catback's ect) It would always be a divers race with M6's (advantage LS1) and A4's would be my 01 by a 1 car constantly. These were just my experiences. All in all the 99/01 is the underdog compared to LS1's.

 

[Competition]

But LS1 F-Body's are low 14-second cars bro, no way your stock A4 did that, unless by stock you mean bolt-ons and a cam.

A 2001 Cobra is a 13.1 car all day! Now go get waxed with your new to you 14-second LS1. :lol:

Hahhaha. Nope, cam and bolt ons netted me 11.40s at 119. :beer:

 

[Stopsign32v]

How fun with that be? LOL

I think it would take a few trips to the track but I believe 100% I could get a stock Mach 1 to run 12.9.

 

[tt335ci03cobra]

But LS1 F-Body's are low 14-second cars bro, no way your stock A4 did that, unless by stock you mean bolt-ons and a cam.

A 2001 Cobra is a 13.1 car all day! Now go get waxed with your new to you 14-second LS1. :lol:

It's more like 8-10's stock for any cobra. We all know this.

03 cobra's usually run low 9's to mid-bottom 8's @ 135-150 stock. I'll bet you pink slips on it.

 

[tt335ci03cobra]

I think it would take a few trips to the track but I believe 100% I could get a stock Mach 1 to run 12.9.

Hit the track the dude ran 12.95 in an a4 fbody in January like he did, with the -da he had that day, -9xx to 3xx, I could easily see a mach1 hitting 12's with great driving.

Of course, even a stock v6 2013 mustang would be a mid to low 13 second car there. I bet a 2013 gt500 could hit 11.20's there

 

[S8ER01Z]

Only problem with your theory is the best times posted for those cars was done in those conditions or better already.

 

[tt335ci03cobra]

Only problem with your theory is the best times posted for those cars was done in those conditions or better already.

No. Evan J ran 13.1 in a mach mid day some time in February or march for an April issue vs a gto if I remember right, it was either that issue or I know for a fact they ran 13.1 with a Mach when they tested a yellow cobra vert, 40th an auto gt and a 5spd mach1. It wasnt -9xx da though.

You wanna take the pink slip bet that 03's run 9's and 8's bone stock at 135-150~?

 

[xsellr8]

Finally dug up the runs with the Bullitt and the LS1 auto. My Mach walks on the Bullitt easy. I highly doubt the LS1 will come back if OP gets ahead.

http://www.svtperformance.com/forum...-vs-stock-ls1-z28-automatic.html#post12662110

As a comparison, here is my Mach vs Bullitt

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCmzRjDRMY8

 

[tt335ci03cobra]

Aren't 01's and 02's dynoing 7-12whp higher than 98-00 ls1's?

 

[xsellr8]

Aren't 01's and 02's dynoing 7-12whp higher than 98-00 ls1's?

2001 and 2002 (Firebirds, Camaro should be similar) had the LS6 Intake manifold. The last produced claimed up to 330-345 HP. I believe they also went to a different crank that was lighter and they claimed 5 HP for that.

 

[Kiohtee]

There's a few things different from the '98-00's to the '01-02's, and yes they generally produce more horsepower/torque stock for stock and mod for mod. However, the provisions weren't limited to Firebirds (those are actually V6's anyway), they were for all LS1's, at least as far as F-Body's are concerned. Some '02's actually came with an LS6 block as well.