They get extra rebate from Ford. My 2022 F-150 was a loaner with 2,000 miles on it.
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They get extra rebate from Ford. My 2022 F-150 was a loaner with 2,000 miles on it.
Rocking a 2023 loaded XLT as a loaner. 3.5L with a MSRP of 64k
Local dealer is beyond packed again with F-150's so they got tons of loaner options.
The center console screen being horizontal rather than vertical like in the expedition is so much nicer.
Don't know why Ford just didn't copy the F150 interior into the expedition.
Local dealer is beyond packed again with F-150's so they got tons of loaner options.
The center console screen being horizontal rather than vertical like in the expedition is so much nicer.
Don't know why Ford just didn't copy the F150 interior into the expedition.
Whats in the shop and how does it compare to the 23???
Gen 2 Raptor. ESP items.
The interior is a nice refresh, but I don't mind the 15-20 interior.
One thing I will always have a soft spot for is the column shifter, which the loaner has.
Suspension sucks, but definitely not a fair comparison. So floaty yet stiff.
IMO, out of all the recent interior's, the Expedetion is easily the ugliest one. I was never a fan even of it even when it first arrived. Looks even worse with the HUGE Tesla screen.
At least they also fixed the Explorer's interior, the new one's look much better than the current one. Im actually considering trading mine in for a new one just for that reason lol
Yea, it's odd to say the least. And in a hot vehicle segment they dropped the ball there. But, for people like my wife, she loves it.
I hate the big screen functions too.
At least the 3.5L + 3.73's make up for it lol.
Wish my 2022 F-150 Lariat had the column shifter, much preferred.
uhhhh we were talking about the ford racing whipple kit on a dark horse. The warranty is the only reason I can see someone buying a ford racing kit and paying one of their approved people to do the install
People who leave them stock come to mind.
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“It's not looking good for the car industry as a whole. Dealers got greedy with ADM's, OEMS upped prices to cut into dealer prices and raised MSRPs. Interest rates went up, covid money been dried, consumers are sitting on the side lines and now dealers are refusing allocations”.
How accurate do you believe this statement to be?
“It's not looking good for the car industry as a whole. Dealers got greedy with ADM's, OEMS upped prices to cut into dealer prices and raised MSRPs. Interest rates went up, covid money been dried, consumers are sitting on the side lines and now dealers are refusing allocations”.
How accurate do you believe this statement to be?
I am more than happy with all Mustangs and a few trucks that I bought from trusted dealers.
I still own my current 2019 Mustang:
My last 2004 Ford F350 4X4 was a great tow vehicle.
I still own my current 2019 Mustang:
My last 2004 Ford F350 4X4 was a great tow vehicle.
Look how far cars have come content wise however.
A Mazda CX5 is nicer than a 2010 Mercedes. Why would it not cost what a 2010 Mercedes costs?
Look at what a Mustang GT is today. Compare that to a 2012 Ferrari California or an Aston Martin.
Compare that to a 2004 Mustang GT which I todays money is $40k adjusted for inflation.
When was the Mazda made? Who really cares? It's a girl car.
A 2012 Ferrari Cal is worth ~$100K but the regular service includes removing the entire engine. The regular Maintenace is very expensive.
I had a 2011 Mustang GT. Great 5.0 car. Sticker here:
Great car.
A Ferrari California doesn’t require engine out service. You have to go back to a 355 (95-99).
He was just talking out his ass like most ppl who have no actual clue about exotics do
Eh, 50/50. I'm still outselling my allocations. I'm even buying allocations from other dealers.
I think certain geographic areas are feeling it harder than others.
So, a Ferrari California is inexpensive to service? The valves adjust themself?
My 2023 Porsche Turbo is $900 to service.
My 2019 GT350 is $160 to service,
My 1972 Porsche is $75 for me to service (~10 quarts of oil + filter + me adjusting the valves [the old mechanical valve era]).
I also found my 2004 Ford F350 MSRP:
It was $35,000 before the rebates for the V-10.
This excellent Ford truck transported a race car, a 4-wheel Honda, and a lot of extra parts all over the East Coast,
While missing my point.
A 2024 Mustang GT basically matches or exceeds the California in every performance metric, exceeds it technically and safety and probably falls just a hair short build quality.
This while a Mustang being $60k new and that Ferrari was $260k new.
A 2004 GT didn't compare to jackshit. It wasn't even on the same level as a 350Z.
Kinda my point when it comes to crying about new car pricing.
So you are in agreement? The new Mustang and Corvettes are bargains?
Dive bombed em before they could throw me the keys to the braptor(ralph wants to trade bad). I missed an entire row, but you get the picture
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I remember tons of folks saying:
"Dealer lots will never be full again". "You will NEVER see long term 0% or crazy discounts ever again".
Remember like it was yesterday lol.
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