Finally some Ford GT numbers

[mrlrd1]

Ultimately the point here is that you're just being a hypocritical whiner. Saying the GT is not legal for the class if laughable bullshit, and if you believe that bullshit when you say that, that means logically you have to believe the rest of the class is "illegal" for the class as well. The GT road car is by far the most similar car to it's race car variant in the GTE/LM racing.

The other manufacturer's cars were not built solely for racing in that class. They are road cars adapted for the track. Ford built the GT SPECIFICALLY for the class and still needs to skirt the rules to compete.

The difference goes beyond the minor items you listed.

 

[DBK]

The other manufacturer's cars were not built solely for racing in that class. They are road cars adapted for the track. Ford built the GT SPECIFICALLY for the class and still needs to skirt the rules to compete.

The difference goes beyond the minor items you listed.

You keep saying they are skirting the rules. This is just brick wall material. No waiver car.

No matter how many times you say 2+2=5, that's not going to make it true.

 

[96 cobra]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BeT9_6ihYXK/?taken-by=billyjracing

2:38.62

 

[03cobra#694]

The other manufacturer's cars were not built solely for racing in that class. They are road cars adapted for the track. Ford built the GT SPECIFICALLY for the class and still needs to skirt the rules to compete.

The difference goes beyond the minor items you listed.

Your mullet is showing.

 

[treynor]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BeT9_6ihYXK/?taken-by=billyjracing

2:38.62

OK, now that is a very stout result. I'm revising my opinion of the GT if that was done with a stock car. I'm honestly a bit surprised given the GT's weight, power, and relatively small tires.

 

[Serpent]

IMO this car is very comparable with the ACR. Ignore the price and you have two American cars that punch above their weight in terms of power and weight. Both cars aren’t super quick world beaters but are track monsters. Similar in power close enough in weight. One has crazy downforce and tops out at 177mph. The other is aerodynamic enough to hit 216mph while weighing 33xxlbs.

 

[AustinSN]

The other manufacturer's cars were not built solely for racing in that class. They are road cars adapted for the track. Ford built the GT SPECIFICALLY for the class and still needs to skirt the rules to compete.

The difference goes beyond the minor items you listed.

Pretty good 24 hour race at Daytona the other day.

 

[mrlrd1]

Pretty good 24 hour race at Daytona the other day.

Ford had a PERFECT day. Corvette made a mistake on tire choice and it cost them the race.

 

[AustinSN]

Ford had a PERFECT day. Corvette made a mistake on tire choice and it cost them the race.

Assuming youre talking about the one car staying out on slicks while the other car came in and grabbed wets when it rained, that wasn't the only reason.

It did cost the #4 car a full lap but the #3 car was pretty consistent, they just didn't have the pace.

 

[mrlrd1]

It did cost the #4 car a full lap but the #3 car was pretty consistent, they just didn't have the pace.

Bullshit. Corvette and GT ran identical average lap times. Corvette pitted additional times and spent several minutes doing so, primarily due to tire choice.

 

[01performanceredvertsnake]

Bullshit. Corvette and GT ran identical average lap times. Corvette pitted additional times and spent several minutes doing so, primarily due to tire choice.

I don’t see your point? The GT crew is smarter?


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[AustinSN]

Bullshit. Corvette and GT ran identical average lap times. Corvette pitted additional times and spent several minutes doing so, primarily due to tire choice.

We must have been watching different races. Every car in the field was running Michelins. They even made mention of this several times during the race that everyone in GTLM was running the same tires.

Overnight the Fords put a lap on the Corvettes and around 6 hours left the yellow allowed the #3 car to get back on the lead lap. It was #66, #67, #3 and for a few laps it looked like the #3 car had some speed, enough to sort of keep up, then it was like 18 seconds on the #3 car, then 31, then 60, and by 3.5 hours they had put him another lap down, by the end they put 2 laps on him.

The Fords were consistently .5-.7 faster per lap and were a little faster on pit lane, which was weird to me because the fuel tanks on both cars were the same size but the Ford's had a greater fuel flow restrictor and fueling is generally the slowest part.

 

[Serpent]

Bullshit. Corvette and GT ran identical average lap times. Corvette pitted additional times and spent several minutes doing so, primarily due to tire choice.

Why are you so mad at Ford winning, didn't you say Ford pays the officials? LOL

 

[blk02edge]

If the outcome was the other way around guaranteed it would be becuase ford chose a shitty v6 and the GT is overrated haha, snowflakes...

 

[SirShaun]

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We must have been watching different races. Every car in the field was running Michelins. They even made mention of this several times during the race that everyone in GTLM was running the same tires.

Overnight the Fords put a lap on the Corvettes and around 6 hours left the yellow allowed the #3 car to get back on the lead lap. It was #66, #67, #3 and for a few laps it looked like the #3 car had some speed, enough to sort of keep up, then it was like 18 seconds on the #3 car, then 31, then 60, and by 3.5 hours they had put him another lap down, by the end they put 2 laps on him.

The Fords were consistently .5-.7 faster per lap and were a little faster on pit lane, which was weird to me because the fuel tanks on both cars were the same size but the Ford's had a greater fuel flow restrictor and fueling is generally the slowest part.

Whole lot of 6's in there...

 

[DSG2003Mach1]

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We must have been watching different races. Every car in the field was running Michelins. They even made mention of this several times during the race that everyone in GTLM was running the same tires.

hes talking about the choice in dry vs wet tires.

GM gambled and lost, shit happens. Even without that, I dont see them having enough to get around the GTs. it would be interesting to know the number of pit stops for each, I seem to recall people in the GT program stating they were able to win a few much shorter races because they didn't have to make as many fuel stops as the other cars

 

[Snagged]

https://competitors.imsa.com/sites/..._tb_18-06_p_gtlm_and_gtd_bop_revision_1_0.pdf

Page 4.

This car is pretty damn handicapped in this series. Heaviest car (shared with 488) but it also runs a significant amount less boost.

Anyone know what the other manufacturers thought of the Ford GT before the race? Maybe one of the reasons why the other manufacturers signed off letting it race? Because they thought the Ford GT didn't have a chance at doing as well as it did???

EDIT: Another question would be, with the other manufacturers signing off on the Ford GT to let it race because of some formal details, has this happened in the past with other manufacturers entering cars?

Like I said. Money>rules

Is there any concrete evidence Ford paid off people?

And even so, who cares? Seems like a minor formality to get people to sign off on if we are only talking about a matter of months before the production car is sold to the public. From DBK's description of it, sounds like there are closer similarities, if not dead on, between the road car and race car of the Ford GT than the Corvette.

 

[AustinSN]

hes talking about the choice in dry vs wet tires.

GM gambled and lost, shit happens. Even without that, I dont see them having enough to get around the GTs. it would be interesting to know the number of pit stops for each, I seem to recall people in the GT program stating they were able to win a few much shorter races because they didn't have to make as many fuel stops as the other cars

That was only one stop in the rain, one car gambled with dry tires because it was a freak little pocket of rain, the other came in and grabbed wets. The #4 car got itself a lap down from that one and couldn't make it back up.

The top 6 cars in qualifying were all within like .4 of each other, with the Corvette grabbing first. There was a pre-race BoP which increased the AoA on the spoiler of the Corvettes from 0-2 degrees and on the GTs from 2-5 degrees to slow them both down for the rest of the field.

Chevy is good at winning by consistency, but now Ford has experience with the cars and it showed.

 

[DBK]

Felt good to watch the domination. Drove the car over for the race.

It's weird, I don't hear any bitching about the M8 racing before it's in production. Hmm.

 

[AustinSN]

Anyone know what the other manufacturers thought of the Ford GT before the race? Maybe one of the reasons why the other manufacturers signed off letting it race? Because they thought the Ford GT didn't have a chance at doing as well as it did???

From what I can tell from BMW, they trust the BoP to make it fair. That and if a company stomped their feet and said they weren't going to sign off on a car, that's basically them submitting that their product is inferior.

Not to mention, BMW got the same sign off from the other manufacturers to run the M8. So it goes both ways.

I'm actually surprised that BMW wasn't faster in this race, I know they have teething issues because it's a brand new build, but they had the lightest car, biggest fuel tank, fastest refueling and A LOT more boost as the GTs and Ferrari's and still were in a really bad spot.