That's only a $2000 increase over the current $4000 SVT PP ....about right I'd say.
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That's only a $2000 increase over the current $4000 SVT PP ....about right I'd say.
tax write off i'm sure:lol:
Then I will be waiting a year or two if I can't find a dealer to play ball or I'll go in a different direction. I'd never pay sticker for any car no matter what.
I bought my 335iS the week it was released and paid $600 over invoice and BMW gave me the dct free so I'll just keep this car a little longer or test drive a vette. No worries.
svtsupersnake
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Like I said before I am not going to argue this. For what they did cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. If the cost was being passed the shelby should then be sold at least at 80k. But probably they have some tax incentives where they save or maybe they get more profit from something that cost less to make like their trucks. I dont know. But usually with any business when they take on massive projects. They do not break even AFTER YEAR ONE. They will increase the price a little bit and slowly over the years will eventually break even. If ford thought they would spend all this money to break even after the first year, well then they would be out of business. Consumer means everything, especially in a crap economy. Whats the point of spending all this money on a super car if the consumer can not pay for it? Obviously Ford thought they could do it while keeping cost to the consumer at the absolute minimal. They need thousands of these cars to sell like they do every year, not a couple hundred to crazy rich people. Food for thought.
svtsupersnake
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The dealer I am buying from thats doing it for 2k above invoice is good. Its in Maryland and they are pretty desperate. I think because the shelby's they had on the lot just sat there all year.
The 4000 is already a 500 increase over what the SVTPP sold for in 2011. At 6000 I'd say they're charging $2500 for some adjustable bilsteins, which seems pretty outlandish considering Chevy doesn't charge that much for their more sophisticated MR suspension.
Wow your still here? Lets take a look at just two of your statements, the rest of the quote I will not deal with because its all gibberish anyway.
Hundreds of thousands of dollars(100k-999k): 1 mill to make easy, cost of R and D.
80k - 60k ~ 20k per vehicle just for R and D.
These two should match according to your statement. 5,000 units sold x 20,000 R and D costs ~ $100,000,000
We then multiply that answer by the 2 year run the gt500 will have. This equals $200 million dollars! $200 mill is a lot more than $1 mill. Whats wrong your numbers dont match?
Bottom line RD is a ton of money for every manufacturer however it is only a small percentage of the actual per unit cost for the manufacturer. And yes R and D costs are covered in the price for every vehicle sold to the dealer.
Lets break this down, what does the gm mr suspension upgrade include and its costs? What does the Fords svt pack suspension include and costs? Remember a good set of lightweight wheels and performance tires can run over 3k bucks! Are Fords wheels/tires this good? If they are close I would say thats the reason it cost so much not the bilsteins/tuning.
It's still about $2000 over the 2012 SVTPP. The PP also includes the Torsen rear diff so that also contributes to the added cost. I hope it comes in less than that but that's what I heard it will be roughly.....nothing written in stone. We'll find out soon enough one way or the other.
I hope the Track pack isn't too expensive either I would love to be able to add that to my option list as well without it breaking the bank.
BTW personally I don't care what Chevy does because I would never buy one so the comparison has no bearing to me.
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All about supply and demand. Dealer is the one who decides on markup
Your buddy wont make a bit of commission then. I couldn't get a "fair deal" on a Raptor, and I work for Ford :nonono:
I bet the base price for a coupe is at least $55K
IIRC, it was DBK that mentioned a few years back that the GT500 has by far the largest profit margin of any vehicle ford produces(including pickups), so keep in mind that major upgrades like we'll see for the '13 won't necessarily affect the price as much as it would a "regular" production car. the GT500 has a LOT more room to absorb the R&D and parts cost. and keep in mind that this was back in '09 i believe when the MSRP was still low to mid $40s.
anyone who knows this info, correct me if i'm wrong here.
i know this goes against svtsupersnake's 'black & white' ideological world view, but this is the real world after all.
anyone who knows this info, correct me if i'm wrong here.
i know this goes against svtsupersnake's 'black & white' ideological world view, but this is the real world after all.
i thoroughly enjoy the thrashing you give this kid...lol
i honestly can not wait to get my 2013...ugh the suspense is killing me!!!
Yeah that's a BMW not a brand new 200 mph gt500 super car big difference.
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svtsupersnake
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Ok what you just said is the same as what I was saying. You just said it in a different way. Basically the point I was making is that ford will not put money to produce a car unless it can minimize cost to the consumer so they do not lose the consumer. If its because major upgrades do not effect the price when compared to regular production cars because it has a large profit margin then so be it. As I said before I do not know how Ford saves or spends their money. All I know is that to have a successful business model they have to do it in a way to keep profit margins up. And that is not done by adding 10k to the price of this car.
it's just so easy, LOL
you've seriously gotta be ****ing kidding me right now:bored:
opcorn:On a base Vette the MR is 1995 and includes just the suspension. On a ZO6 it's 2495 and also includes light weight wheels and Michelin PS2s.
Six grand for the performance pack is just insane. That'd be 500 bucks Extra (over the regular limited slip) for the Torsen, 3000 bucks for wheels and tires (PLUS credit for the base 19"), and 2500 extra for the bilsteins/suspension.
That is a massive ripoff, any way you slice it. At 4 grand I think the 12 SVTPP is a pretty questionable value, if it's another 2 grand just for a Torsen and some electronic shocks, it's no longer questionable value, it's just a bad value IMO.
6 grand for both PP and TP together maybe, but if Ford charges 6 just for the PP I think they deserve to get pilloried by the media and the consumer.
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svtsupersnake
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I'm not. In your post you basically stated the specifics of where they save the money, as where in mine I said there was somewhere they save money. I just did not know where it was.
svtsupersnake
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Totally agree with all this. If Ford charges 6k for this kind of stuff on the PP they are out of their minds and flat out dumb. Especially when if you bought the PP on 12's separately it does not add up nearly to 4k like they charge.
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