Mach 1 VS asshole driving an 02 camaro SS

[Tomcat427]

it all depends on the tune :burnout:

There is a guy here in Dallas that runs high 5 in the 1/8 that make more hp then that and he has been on stock pistons and stock heads and block for over a year. He also drive his car around town and to the track and back home

Who do you guys use to tune your cars? Or, what shop do you use?

 

[Bob Cosby]

it all depends on the tune :burnout:

There is a guy here in Dallas that runs high 5 in the 1/8 that make more hp then that and he has been on stock pistons and stock heads and block for over a year. He also drive his car around town and to the track and back home

Tune will only delay (or speed up, if its bad) the inevitable. There is no magic behind an LSx hyperpathetic piston - they are still cast and brittle (like any other hyperpathetic piston, including those in n/a Mustangs). With those kind of cylinder pressures, it is going to fail. Some will get more use out of it than others - but as I said before, it is like a timebomb.

Bob

 

[joegt38]

Thank you for getting my back. I guess many people don't know about the stripper Z or just don't want to know. :thumbsup:

:beer:

 

[candidate zero]

I just registered here, and this is all pretty retarded. When I had my LT1 Forumla, I beat 3 '03/'04 Cobras. My car wasn't stock, but does that mean FI Cobras are slow? Hell no! I got beat by a N/A '01 Cobra that wasn't stock. I had an auto, every one I raced was a stick, and factor in the IRS vs. a solid rear.

Driving is a big factor in any race, just because I beat the FI Cobras doesn't mean they're slow, they could just have shitty drivers, or maybe they didn't want to pust their relatively new car very hard.

Anyone can say they beat this or they beat that, but in the end it means jack shit. Run what you got and don't make excuses.

 

[frankin]

but you still have to suffer the indignity of driving around in a doorstop :nonono:

see a resemblence?

Oh my God!! I can't stop laughing! :lol:

 

[frankin]

you guys make me laff =) All this arguing won't change a thing. Everyone has there opinion about what car is better and thats not going to change here. That being said you have to supercharge a mustang to finally beat on a LS1 F-body. What happends when you supercharge the the LS1??? 540 RWHP to my wheels on my 2000 WS6 is what happens on 10 PSI's on stock motor and heads.... who wants to go now?

What happens?? You just mod the Terminator some more. A never ending thing. Everyone has to admit, For a 280 ci motor, you can get a lot of hp out of it. I don't understand why all the GM people are so down on Ford using superchargers. As a matter of fact, they were the first car manufacturer to use one. No one forces you to supercharge or mod your car,...... So who gives a sh..t? You drive and do what you like.

 

[tv's 03]

you guys make me laff =) All this arguing won't change a thing. Everyone has there opinion about what car is better and thats not going to change here. That being said you have to supercharge a mustang to finally beat on a LS1 F-body. What happends when you supercharge the the LS1??? 540 RWHP to my wheels on my 2000 WS6 is what happens on 10 PSI's on stock motor and heads.... who wants to go now?

Now here is one of the most rediculas arguments of all? Here is why:

N/A Mustang guys to chevy guys=well if my stang had 5.7 liters

Ls1 guys to 03 cobras= Put a supercharger on my car and see what happens

It the same lame excuses from both sides

Do you really believe had chevy decided to s/c the ls1 it would have made 540 rwhp?

My friend made 488 on his 99 cobra with 10 psi from a vortech and you made 540, a difference of 52 hp. Is an additional 52 hp really that significant/impressive from 1.1 liters under 10 psi boost? I don't think so, pretty weak imho

Under 10 psi:
stang made 1.73 hp/CI
Ls1 made 1.56 hp/ci

So its looks like the stang guys have a better case than the chevy guys getting about 11% more hp per ci under boost oke: Oh yea, and the chevy has a higher compression ratio, so that scews to numbers even more in favor of the ls1 and it still is not as efficient at making power-

There are many ways to make more power, FI or larger displacement are just one of many. Whatever path you choose you still have to run what you brung

But the reality is chevy did not supercharge the ls1, so you point is moot. Ford did not made a 5.7 liter motor so that point is moot. In, fact GM decided to abandon you f-body guys and then release the GTO=sled. Its too bad. I don't know if I could stay loyal to a company like that, but you guys just defend them tooth and nail. oke:

 

[tv's 03]

What happens?? You just mod the Terminator some more. A never ending thing. Everyone has to admit, For a 280 ci motor, you can get a lot of hp out of it. I don't understand why all the GM people are so down on Ford using superchargers. As a matter of fact, they were the first car manufacturer to use one. No one forces you to supercharge or mod your car,...... So who gives a sh..t? You drive and do what you like.

True, make a apples to apples comparison. put a whipple on a stock block 03 with an additional 10psi over stock (18-19 psi=600+ RWHP) and you can make even more than his chevy, because it can withstand more boost in stock form, not to mention a better torque curve from the PD blower. As the mods begin the 03 cobra motor really starts to shine over the ls1 $ for $

They may never get it, and will continue to defend the GM....yea but yea but :rollseyes

 

[Tomcat427]

I have an idea.

http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3380181#post3380181

 

[ponygt65]

Tune will only delay (or speed up, if its bad) the inevitable. There is no magic behind an LSx hyperpathetic piston - they are still cast and brittle (like any other hyperpathetic piston, including those in n/a Mustangs). With those kind of cylinder pressures, it is going to fail. Some will get more use out of it than others - but as I said before, it is like a timebomb.

Bob

Thank you. Do you know how many times I have said Tune only delays? Sheesh. There are a few guys on the regustry going FI on the 10.3:1 mach stock pistons. (as high as 10PSI)...all they keep saying is, it's all in the tune. Some of them just don't understand.......A tune does NOT change the Compression. The pistons will take a dump, it is only a matter of time. :beer:

 

[BrokeUoff]

the vette guys are often able to do f/i on their 10:5:1 cars without many long term issues.........the point, even with a good tune, where you start to have issues is when you're just making too much power for the given pistons.

 

[Tomcat427]

Thank you. Do you know how many times I have said Tune only delays? Sheesh. There are a few guys on the regustry going FI on the 10.3:1 mach stock pistons. (as high as 10PSI)...all they keep saying is, it's all in the tune. Some of them just don't understand.......A tune does NOT change the Compression. The pistons will take a dump, it is only a matter of time. :beer:

Several of them have, but is has been the rods the majority of the time.

2 years on the nitrous now, pushing 450rwhp, I know my days are numbered as well. But, it sure has been fun. :thumbsup:

See above post, still trying to get a few good races. :-D

 

[ponygt65]

the vette guys are often able to do f/i on their 10:5:1 cars without many long term issues.........the point, even with a good tune, where you start to have issues is when you're just making too much power for the given pistons.

What do you consider "without many long term issues?"

What you might call long term, someone else might.

I see what you are saying. IT is still pro-longing. 10.5:1 with 10 or more psi, is just asking for a mushroom cloud under the hood. regardless of tune.

It may last 6 months, it may last 5 years, it is still going to blow sooner or later.

 

[ponygt65]

Several of them have, but is has been the rods the majority of the time.

2 years on the nitrous now, pushing 450rwhp, I know my days are numbered as well. But, it sure has been fun. :thumbsup:

See above post, still trying to get a few good races. :-D

:beer:

The difference is, you realize it. I am not saying all FI members on the registry, just a few, maybe 1/4 of the FI guys think it is all in the tune.

:beer:

 

[BrokeUoff]

What do you consider "without many long term issues?"

What you might call long term, someone else might.

I see what you are saying. IT is still pro-longing. 10.5:1 with 10 or more psi, is just asking for a mushroom cloud under the hood. regardless of tune.

It may last 6 months, it may last 5 years, it is still going to blow sooner or later.

yeha it's eventually gonna go with a stock block......but there's def. LS1 guys getting a good 4-5+ years out of them

 

[joegt38]

the vette guys are often able to do f/i on their 10:5:1 cars without many long term issues.........the point, even with a good tune, where you start to have issues is when you're just making too much power for the given pistons.

Yes they can but if you want to do it the "RIGHT" way you would build the motor and lower the compression to make it a reliable FI car. It not as easy as just slappin a blower on a high compression car, YES you can do it but as Bob mentioned "timebomb". You can take a 99/01 Cobra slap a blower and make 10PSI and 500rwhp but come on the 03/04 Cobra was designed to handle that by lowering the compression and giving it a built motor. Its all about reliablity. Go ahead and make 2-3 passes with a intouched 500 rw FI LS1 motor or make 100 passes on a built to handle FI Cobra motor.....

 

[horSSlayer]

OK. I will check with my friend and see if he is interested. He usually races for cash.



Oh, and BTW - if you aren't running high 8s ALL MOTOR, then just sit in the stands and watch, no need to show up.

So did u talk to your boy that wana race for cash?
U ain't to far from the BAY, Why can't u race me? better yet i"ll meet you half way if you want. I'll give u headstart like every single Cobras that I race around here, cuz u guys cry like a little girl :cryying: I promise u I won't use no NOS. just a LS1 motor :read:

 

[ChiSVT]

So did u talk to your boy that wana race for cash?
U ain't to far from the BAY, Why can't u race me? better yet i"ll meet you half way if you want. I'll give u headstart like every single Cobras that I race around here, cuz u guys cry like a little girl :cryying: I promise u I won't use no NOS. just a LS1 motor :read:

haha @ LS1 guys, your car is fast and all motor we get it. (@ your sig) :loser:

 

[ponygt65]

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So did u talk to your boy that wana race for cash?
U ain't to far from the BAY, Why can't u race me? better yet i"ll meet you half way if you want. I'll give u headstart like every single Cobras that I race around here, cuz u guys cry like a little girl :cryying: I promise u I won't use no NOS. just a LS1 motor :read:

Hey there MR. Two time post boy. What exactly is your problem? You came in here and starting talking crap. With 540 HP compared to my WIFE's 300, I would hope you would win. Just what are you tryingt o proove by calling a car out with 240 less HP?? It is guys like you that give stripper a bad name. "mr. LS1 high and mighty".

Besides, last time I checked, you are not running high 8s.........MORON :bash:

Oh, and you are obviously a tad on the IL-Literate side, so I wil repeat it slowly....

I
Don't
Own
A
Cobra.

 

[Purvis]

PLEASE stop thinking that machs are slow and terminators are your only competition. It just isn't true. cobra=Vette (most Z06s and quick C5s), mach/N.A cobra = Fbody LS1 (c4 and some c5stoo)and GT = LT1.

Driver ability needs to be considered.

I love how you guys continue to think stock Cobras are "faster than most stock (c5)ZO6s". With boltons, yes, bot not without. :nono:

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