Mach 1 VS asshole driving an 02 camaro SS

[ponygt65]

I love how you guys continue to think stock Cobras are "faster than most stock (c5)ZO6s". With boltons, yes, bot not without. :nono:

Z06 Bone Stock and Stock CAI/DOT legal Tires

No need to be an a$$whipe dude.

#1) half those Z06s (INCLUDING YOUR OWN) had Drag Radials. So stop the cockiness.

#2) I have seen another post about C5 Z06s from a FELLOW vette owner. C6 vette actually. They were mid 12s. Anywhere from 11.9s to 13.0s. So BACK OFF.

#3) I said.....cobra=Vette (most Z06s and quick C5s)....In case you can't read.........that is not ALL Z06s. I said 'most'.

#4) Bone stock Cobra's are mid to high 12s BONE STOCK. which is about equal to the C5 Z06.

#5) again, you can't read.......I said...."Driver ability needs to be considered."

#6) if you are going to Quote someone.........READ THE ENTIRE POST FIRST. oke: :kaboom:


BTW - It is DIPstick like you that piss me off so much. You even BOLDED your own time, it has DRs on a 12.08 run......and yet...........your sig says "STOCK". I must not know enough about vettes to think they came with Run Flats and not DRAG RADIALS......FREAKIN' IDIOT. :nonono:
Let me guess..."stock car". You must be a lawyer with that kind of "technicality".

 

[ChiSVT]

I love how you guys continue to think stock Cobras are "faster than most stock (c5)ZO6s". With boltons, yes, bot not without. :nono:

Z06 Bone Stock and Stock CAI/DOT legal Tires

Ranger------1.64x 60'--11.52x @ 120.21--11/04--CAI/DR ('02) Run Video Time Slip
J-rod--------1.675 60'--11.596 @ 118.53--xx/xx--Zip Tie/DR ('02)
fergy flyer---1.67x 60'--11.5xx @ 118.xx--02/05--CAI/DR ('02)
J-Rod--------1.767 60'--11.606 @ 117.95--xx/xx--ZipTie ('02)
Dr Ron-------1.68x 60'--11.622 @ 119.03--10/04--CAI/DR ('03) Run Video
eb02z06------1.671 60'-11.656 @ 117.75-10/02--CAI ('02) Time Slip
Power Shifter-1.645 60'--11.659 @ 116.97--10/02--CAI/DR
Dr.Ron-------1.711 60'--11.67x @ 119.3x--10/03--CAI ('03) Time Slip
BLU BY U ----1.65x 60'--11.694 @ 116.56--12/02--CAI/DR ('02)
Robert56-----1.653 60'--11.711 @ 115.53--06/05--CAI/DR ('02) Time Slip
Steve Row----1.66x 60'--11.756 @ 116.87--xx/xx-CAI/DR
Vai------------1.xxx 60'--11.781 @ xxx.xx--xx/xx---Bone Stock
J-Rod --------1.818 60'--11.783 @ 116.90--xx/xx--Bone Stock ('02)
Ranger -------1.78x 60'--11.818 @ 117.26--xx/xx--Bone Stock ('02) Time Slip
Butcher-------1.77x 60'--11.82x @ 118.8x--10/01--CAI ('02)
427CPE-------1.668 60'--11.850 @ 116.42--06/05--DR ('02)
mike c.--------1.7xx 60'--11.88x @ 118.xx--10/05--Bias-ply
L98Terror-----1.702 60'--11.930 @ 113.98--10/05--CAI/DR ('03)
zular----------1.xxx 60'--11.93x @ 116.90--xx/xx--CAI
Esoteric-------1.xxx 60'--11.93x @ 119.xx--xx/xx---Bone Stock
dr.juice-------1.675 60'--11.942 @ 114.78--07/05--ET's ('03)
phantasms----1.xxx 60'--11.945 @ 117.71--xx/xx--ZipTie Mod
Ranger--------1.823 60'--11.947 @ 116.65--12/01--CAI/DR ('01) Time Slip
Z06addikt-----1.xxx 60'--11.949 @ 117.61--xx/xx--CAI/DR
Cyric----------1.747 60'--11.966 @ 116.81--10/05--CAI/DR ('03)
GMHTP--------1.90x 60'--11.97x @ 118.80--03/04--Bone Stock ('04)
BlueZ06-------1.74x 60'--11.97x @ 117.97--xx/xx--CAI/DR ('03)
COUTO1981---1.74x 60'--11.97x @ 117.97--xx/xx--DR ('03)
02 Z06 Racer -1.xxx 60'--11.99x @ 117.61--xx/xx--Bone Stock ('02)
pwrshfd-------1.866 60'--12.048 @ 115.92--12/03--Bone Stock ('02)
rbartick-------1.900 60'--12.049 @ 117.4x--11/03--CAI('02)
Purvis---------1.887 60'--12.074 @ 117.88--03/06--DR ('02)
MVR 155------1.80x 60'--12.07x @ 114.14--10/05--CAI ('02)
Pray----------1.83x 60'--12.08x @ 115.95--01/06--Bone Stock ('02)
UVETTA-------1.79x 60'--12.09x @ xxx.xx--xx/xx--Bone Stock ('03)
Ranger--------1.856 60'--12.145 @ 115.85--09/01--CAI ('01) Time Slip
Nat04Z06-----1.91x 60'--12.205 @ 117.96--xx/xx--Bone Stock ('04)
Chicago Z06 --1.xxx 60'--12.20x @ 118.00--xx/xx--CAI/DR ('02)
Blue Angle-----1.87x 60'--12.21 @ 112.xx--07/04--Bone Stock ('02)
holedgr--------1.77x 60' 12.22 @ 1xx.xx--xx/xx--Bone Stock ('02)
KrisR----------1.877 60'--12.269 @ 115.38--xx/xx--DR ('02)
Mike69--------1.964 60'--12.280 @ 116.07--xx/xx--CAI ('01) Run Video
My1stZ--------2.0xx 60'--12.2xx @ 1xx.xx--xx/xx--Bone Stock ('03)
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/showthread.php?t=1132866&forum_id=49

Who said a stock Cobra was faster than a z06? We aren't stupid, half of us have seen the thread on Corvetteforums.. :fart: We posted the BEST stock times being 12.3-12.4 in a cobra, Bolt-on Cobras trap between 119-124mph. THAT IS STOCK TO MILDLY MODIFIED Z06 TERRITORY.

 

[Purvis]

We posted the BEST stock times being 12.3-12.4 in a cobra, Bolt-on Cobras trap between 119-124mph. THAT IS STOCK TO MILDLY MODIFIED Z06 TERRITORY.

Yup, I agree.
Light Bolton Cobras = Stock C5 Zo6

 

[Snorman]

What happends when you supercharge the the LS1??? 540 RWHP to my wheels on my 2000 WS6 is what happens on 10 PSI's on stock motor and heads.... who wants to go now?

I do.
You run at E-town or Atco?
I'll be racing at Atco on April 28th, or we could try to hook up something for E-town.
Full-weight car, no spray, 17" DR's.
S.

 

[300bhp/ton]

#1) half those Z06s (INCLUDING YOUR OWN) had Drag Radials. So stop the cockiness.

I think you'll find it did say STOCK or STOCK CAI and DOT legal tyres

BTW - It is DIPstick like you that piss me off so much. You even BOLDED your own time, it has DRs on a 12.08 run......and yet...........your sig says "STOCK". I must not know enough about vettes to think they came with Run Flats and not DRAG RADIALS......FREAKIN' IDIOT. :nonono:
Let me guess..."stock car". You must be a lawyer with that kind of "technicality".

Are DR's a modification?????? Would going from BGF sport tyres to Michelin sport tyres also be a modification (whether it affected ET's or not), or running fully synthetic oil instead of semi-synthetic.

Different tyres DO NOT affect the engines output, do not affect the weight of the car, do not affect the suspension or geometry, do not alter the gearing. They are a direct replacement.

If you bought a car and it had 'winter tyres' on as stock and you changed them to regular high performance ones would they also make it no longer a stock car????

I'm a FREAKIN' IDIOT

:lol:

 

[ChiSVT]

Are DR's a modification?????? Would going from BGF sport tyres to Michelin sport tyres also be a modification (whether it affected ET's or not), or running fully synthetic oil instead of semi-synthetic.

Different tyres DO NOT affect the engines output, do not affect the weight of the car, do not affect the suspension or geometry, do not alter the gearing. They are a direct replacement.

If you bought a car and it had 'winter tyres' on as stock and you changed them to regular high performance ones would they also make it no longer a stock car????

Technically DR's or anything you add to the car is a modification. Stock = the way you drive it off the showroom floor. Adding sticky tires enables you to launch way harder than ever possible in a truly stock car. I agree that adding sticky tires does show the true potential of a stock car's performance though.

 

[tv's 03]

I think you'll find it did say STOCK or STOCK CAI and DOT legal tyres


Are DR's a modification?????? Would going from BGF sport tyres to Michelin sport tyres also be a modification (whether it affected ET's or not), or running fully synthetic oil instead of semi-synthetic.

Different tyres DO NOT affect the engines output, do not affect the weight of the car, do not affect the suspension or geometry, do not alter the gearing. They are a direct replacement.

If you bought a car and it had 'winter tyres' on as stock and you changed them to regular high performance ones would they also make it no longer a stock car????


:lol:

:rollseyes

Please.....drag radials can increase 1/4 miles times as much as a full second in the 1/4. They greatly increase traction, but you conveniently left that out. I guess traction is not important for performance in your world....

Anyone with a brain knows that drag radials greatly enhance 1/4 mile performance over regular street tires.

I got blasted one time for saying my cobra went 13.6 at 102.77 mph stock. Everyone argued that my K&n air filter (drop in), the mobile 1 synthetic oil and firestone sz 50's were not stock. That was pushing it, but to say drag radials are not a mod is wrong in my opinion

 

[300bhp/ton]

:rollseyes

Please.....drag radials can increase 1/4 miles times as much as a full second in the 1/4. They greatly increase traction, but you conveniently left that out. I guess traction is not important for performance in your world....

Anyone with a brain knows that drag radials greatly enhance 1/4 mile performance over regular street tires.

I got blasted one time for saying my cobra went 13.6 at 102.77 mph stock. Everyone argued that my K&n air filter (drop in), the mobile 1 synthetic oil and firestone sz 50's were not stock. That was pushing it, but to say drag radials are not a mod is wrong in my opinion

I never said they weren't a mod, what I asked is are they?

Some cars come stock equiped with semi-slick tyres (same compound as DR's but usually a stiffer sidewall).

-BMW M CSL
-Lotus Exige
-Several Caterhams

I'm by no means claiming they are common or that DR's shouldn't be counted as mods, but when I have people telling me that running a 150 shot or turbocharger still makes a "bone stock engine" (big debate on Ls1tech a while back) it makes DR's sound almost inconsequential.

 

[Snorman]

Yeah...well, a DR-shod car isn't stock. Period.
It allows you to launch the car where it's making more power and keep it there, which is a huge advantage. Bone stock '03/'04 Cobras on DR's have been low-12's.
No argument, equally driven, a C5 Z06 is a solid .4-.5 quicker than an '03/'04 Cobra, but the difference is easily overcome with difference in driving ability.
S.

 

[Purvis]

No need to be an a$$whipe dude.

#1) half those Z06s (INCLUDING YOUR OWN) had Drag Radials. So stop the cockiness.

#2) I have seen another post about C5 Z06s from a FELLOW vette owner. C6 vette actually. They were mid 12s. Anywhere from 11.9s to 13.0s. So BACK OFF.

#3) I said.....cobra=Vette (most Z06s and quick C5s)....In case you can't read.........that is not ALL Z06s. I said 'most'.

#4) Bone stock Cobra's are mid to high 12s BONE STOCK. which is about equal to the C5 Z06.

#5) again, you can't read.......I said...."Driver ability needs to be considered."

#6) if you are going to Quote someone.........READ THE ENTIRE POST FIRST. oke: :kaboom:

BTW - It is DIPstick like you that piss me off so much. You even BOLDED your own time, it has DRs on a 12.08 run......and yet...........your sig says "STOCK". I must not know enough about vettes to think they came with Run Flats and not DRAG RADIALS......FREAKIN' IDIOT. :nonono:
Let me guess..."stock car". You must be a lawyer with that kind of "technicality".

Nice post. :rollseyes
I could respond to each one of your points, but honestly, Im not going to bother to take the time....
I'll just leave it at this..

If you think stock 03/04 Cobras are as fast as stock c5 ZO6, you are mistaken.. A decent amount of proof is posted above..
Cobras are high to mid 12 second cars from the factory..
C5-ZO6's , with equal drivers, are low 12 second, to high 11second cars..

There are Typically about .5 seconds differnce between the two cars, Stock vs stock, with equal drivers.

You can run around, calling me a "dipstick" and "asswipe", like a little gradeschool bully all you want, but its not going to change that fact.
:sleeping:

Oh, and my times were on Nittos 555R.. My runs were made on them cold, because I cant get a burnout going in this car because the rear brakes are extremely strong and Im affraid of burning out my clutch.
It was also only my 2nd time to the track, no doubt my times will improve this season, and I will be in the 11's, like most of the guys on this list...

Look at my 60'.. Most guys run that on stock tires.. So my cold Nittos are not making much (if any) of a differnce..If I was running 1.7 60's, then I would agree with your point, but Im not. The facts are right there in front of you. :shrug:

 

[ponygt65]

I never said they weren't a mod, what I asked is are they?

Some cars come stock equiped with semi-slick tyres (same compound as DR's but usually a stiffer sidewall).

-BMW M CSL
-Lotus Exige
-Several Caterhams

I'm by no means claiming they are common or that DR's shouldn't be counted as mods, but when I have people telling me that running a 150 shot or turbocharger still makes a "bone stock engine" (big debate on Ls1tech a while back) it makes DR's sound almost inconsequential.

seems like you have had a change of thought since your other posts. Calling me an idiot and yet throwing out retorical questions on if DRs are a modification. I love it.

Like I said, putting up a list of C5 Z06 times when most of them have some kid of modification (let's not forget, we are talking ETs here) isn't a real comparison or proof of C5 Z06s being all that faster.

LET ME REPEAT MYSELF TO THOSE THAT HAVE A HARD TIME UNDERSTANGING......."(most Z06s and quick C5s) & Driver ability needs to be considered." - WHY IS THIS SO HARD TO COMPREHEND?????????

 

[ponygt65]

Purvis, if you had posted somethign like this......WITHOUT THE ATTITUDE, then fine.

J-Rod--------1.767 60'--11.606 @ 117.95--xx/xx--ZipTie ('02)
eb02z06------1.671 60'-11.656 @ 117.75-10/02--CAI ('02) Time Slip
Dr.Ron-------1.711 60'--11.67x @ 119.3x--10/03--CAI ('03) Time Slip
J-Rod --------1.818 60'--11.783 @ 116.90--xx/xx--Bone Stock ('02)
Ranger -------1.78x 60'--11.818 @ 117.26--xx/xx--Bone Stock ('02) Time Slip
Butcher-------1.77x 60'--11.82x @ 118.8x--10/01--CAI ('02)
mike c.--------1.7xx 60'--11.88x @ 118.xx--10/05--Bias-ply
zular----------1.xxx 60'--11.93x @ 116.90--xx/xx--CAI
Esoteric-------1.xxx 60'--11.93x @ 119.xx--xx/xx---Bone Stock
phantasms----1.xxx 60'--11.945 @ 117.71--xx/xx--ZipTie Mod
GMHTP--------1.90x 60'--11.97x @ 118.80--03/04--Bone Stock ('04)
02 Z06 Racer -1.xxx 60'--11.99x @ 117.61--xx/xx--Bone Stock ('02)
pwrshfd-------1.866 60'--12.048 @ 115.92--12/03--Bone Stock ('02)
rbartick-------1.900 60'--12.049 @ 117.4x--11/03--CAI('02)
MVR 155------1.80x 60'--12.07x @ 114.14--10/05--CAI ('02)
Pray----------1.83x 60'--12.08x @ 115.95--01/06--Bone Stock ('02)
Ranger--------1.856 60'--12.145 @ 115.85--09/01--CAI ('01) Time Slip
Nat04Z06-----1.91x 60'--12.205 @ 117.96--xx/xx--Bone Stock ('04)
Blue Angle-----1.87x 60'--12.21 @ 112.xx--07/04--Bone Stock ('02)
holedgr--------1.77x 60' 12.22 @ 1xx.xx--xx/xx--Bone Stock ('02)
Mike69--------1.964 60'--12.280 @ 116.07--xx/xx--CAI ('01) Run Video
My1stZ--------2.0xx 60'--12.2xx @ 1xx.xx--xx/xx--Bone Stock ('03)
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I left the CAI's on because they give 10-15 RWHP at best which is a .1 second at best. And I have no idea what Zipties are, so I can't discredit those.

 

[Bob Cosby]

Are DR's a modification?????? Would going from BGF sport tyres to Michelin sport tyres also be a modification (whether it affected ET's or not), or running fully synthetic oil instead of semi-synthetic.

Virtually everybody defines "modification" a bit differently. Personally, and when discussing how quick a car is, if it doesn't affect performance (primarily ET or MPH), then it doesn't matter. Contrary to what some believe, I don't think synthetics affect performance in a truly measureable way. Tires, however, can have a very distinct effect - or none at all.

Different tyres DO NOT affect the engines output, do not affect the weight of the car, do not affect the suspension or geometry, do not alter the gearing. They are a direct replacement.

Engine output and weight of a car are only parts to a bigger picture of making a car quicker. Also, tires can indeed affect/alter gearing (I can give you plenty of personal examples on cars I've owned), and even change the suspension/geometry (primarily in how the car's stock suspension geometry reacts under power). All tires are certainly NOT a direct replacement. One could easily buy a set of heads that are a "direct replacement", or a CAI, or whatever.

bought a car and it had 'winter tyres' on as stock and you changed them to regular high performance ones would they also make it no longer a stock car????

Not in the context of what we are discussing here, IMO.

 

[Purvis]

Purvis, if you had posted somethign like this......WITHOUT THE ATTITUDE, then fine.

And I have no idea what Zipties are, so I can't discredit those.

Zipties:
All your are doing is removing the cover/silencer over the air filter, and zip tieing the filter in place..

 

[Snorman]

Zipties:
All your are doing is removing the cover/silencer over the air filter, and zip tieing the filter in place..

And all I'm doing is unbolting the pulley and putting a new one on the car.
:lol:
S.

 

[Purvis]

I think you'll find it did say STOCK or STOCK CAI and DOT legal tyres

Thankyou. :beer:

 

[Purvis]

And all I'm doing is unbolting the pulley and putting a new one on the car.
:lol:
S.

c'mon, listen to yourself.. You're comparing taking an air intake silencer off of a car, vs changing a pulley on a supercharger.. :bored:

Back in the late 80s, we used to take the silencers off of 5.0's all day and noone would question if they were stock or not.. Infact, I remember reaching down and yanking a silencer out of a 5.0L, while the window sticker was still on it ;-)

But you go changing the pulley on a supercharger, thats a pretty drastic change in comaprison..

Im just talking common sense here.

 

[Snorman]

c'mon, listen to yourself.. You're comparing taking an air intake silencer off of a car, vs changing a pulley on a supercharger.. :bored:

Back in the late 80s, we used to take the silencers off of 5.0's all day and noone would question if they were stock or not.. Infact, I remember reaching down and yanking a silencer out of a 5.0L, while the window sticker was still on it ;-)

But you go changing the pulley on a supercharger, thats a pretty drastic change in comaprison..

Im just talking common sense here.

Dude...listen to yourself.
This is a thread about a Mach I and LS1 F-body.
Somebody merely mentioned a C5 Z06 (parenthetically, no less), and you launch into "defense mode" about how fast your Z06 is.
:nonono:
The bottom line is that DR's and CAI's and "zip-tie-mods" aren't stock. Any of them make the car slightly modded. :shrug:

Give it a rest already...
S.

 

[Stopsign32v]

So did u talk to your boy that wana race for cash?
U ain't to far from the BAY, Why can't u race me? better yet i"ll meet you half way if you want. I'll give u headstart like every single Cobras that I race around here, cuz u guys cry like a little girl :cryying: I promise u I won't use no NOS. just a LS1 motor :read:

Yo dawg yo LSwon is off da chain yo!!!1!11!one!

Give me a break, you've posted TWICE and have a sig with all caps and we are suppose to take you seriously? I'd be willing to bet you don't even own a LS1. My guess you own a TBI with mufflers and your tag reads "IROCMYZ" ****ing clown :kaboom:

Its a shame that you live so far away. Seems you like picking on things with less power. Tell you what I got a 4 cylinder that you could run if you come this way. I'll even give YOU the jump. And spray away, I don't wanna hear no cryin afterwards. :burnout:

 

[Purvis]

Dude...listen to yourself.
This is a thread about a Mach I and LS1 F-body.
Somebody merely mentioned a C5 Z06 (parenthetically, no less), and you launch into "defense mode" about how fast your Z06 is.
:nonono:
The bottom line is that DR's and CAI's and "zip-tie-mods" aren't stock. Any of them make the car slightly modded. :shrug:

Give it a rest already...
S.

Im not the one launching into "defense mode".. Go back and re-read the posts. :read: I never started name calling or the stupid demeaning remarks like others did to me for no reason, (other than not aggreeing with their questionable opinions)
I merely stated a few facts and posted up a list, which threw all of you into defense mode. ;-)