Well apparently speaking your point of view and defending the small population of car owners that would support an auto in these cars isn't appreciated very much. I would like to take this opportunity to thank everyone for directing me to the rules, I would have never found them without your help. I never imagined if a guy was tired of reading about a particular topic why he would open that thread and complain about its existence. I promise now that my grown man hand has been slapped with a penalty by the play ground police I won't insult another member again. Thanks for all the info and entertainment you provide me SVTperformance!!! :banana: