20+ on 93 no less.
Had it ever been tuned for that pulley combo or did you just throw the pulleys on there and figure it was cool?
Sad news in the termi world (2.65" upper, 8 lb lower 23psi Eaton)
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20+ on 93 no less.
Had it ever been tuned for that pulley combo or did you just throw the pulleys on there and figure it was cool?
You guys are probably right. I would be feeling like a complete ass right now if I bolted a bunch of crap on the car to make it as fast as possible and didn't research first only to end up with a blown engine. I actually knew someone that did this before there were really great sites like this to get info and experiences from. He had an '85 Vette which he decided to make "fast". After hearing about the Procharger kit, he decided to order it up and have some mechanic install it for him. Only he wasn't going to be happy with the base kit, he saw that they had optional pulleys to make more boost, so figured "more is better"!:rollseyes Anyway, he ended up running like 15psi through a bone stock engine, and needless to say did not get many runs down the highway before that grenaded.:bash:
This seems to be a similar case here, where the op figured "hey, an 8lb pulley kit is the same cost as a 4#, so why settle?" Unfortunately for him, not knowing the fuel requirements for such a combo, as well as the design limitations of the Eaton were not well invested most likely.:nonono:
This seems to be a similar case here, where the op figured "hey, an 8lb pulley kit is the same cost as a 4#, so why settle?" Unfortunately for him, not knowing the fuel requirements for such a combo, as well as the design limitations of the Eaton were not well invested most likely.:nonono:
Very well put :beer:
R.I.p. eaton, you spun that little guy to the moon. Seriously though that's tough luck and most of us have been down that road for many different reasons. Use this board as your bible, there is plenty of us that can answer any technical question you have
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....Lets just hope that the CO Cobra is ready for the photo shoot!! 
I don't have a mustang, so I don't post so much anymore. Having said that, you know that if I took the time to read and reply, you know that I am in awe of a thread. I can honestly say that I have never heard of this combo ever being ran on an unported stock Eaton.
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hell be back eventually, weve all made mistakes.. no reason to be embarrassed about it, u live and learn, and the lesson you learned here is to research things you dont know too much about. enternet is a tool, use it to help you out. theres plenty of people here that can help you out when you have questions. just post them up!
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I call shinnanigans....
Jr.
Jr.
Agreed!!!
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Just in case the OP does come back, here's what Tousley can do for him.
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That has a three year, unlimited mileage parts and labor warranty and before everyone asks NO you won't get warranty coverage if you bring the car in with a blown engine and it's pullied, turboed, sprayed or if your running a ported Eaton :nono:
Ford Racing Aluminator long block $6400.00 shipped.
I think you all know how to get a hold of us :beer:
-Steve
Ford reman Terminator long block $4050.00 shipped plus a $2000.00 core charge, the core is gauranteed so you will get your money back regardless of how badly it's blown up.
That has a three year, unlimited mileage parts and labor warranty and before everyone asks NO you won't get warranty coverage if you bring the car in with a blown engine and it's pullied, turboed, sprayed or if your running a ported Eaton :nono:
Ford Racing Aluminator long block $6400.00 shipped.
I think you all know how to get a hold of us :beer:
-Steve
^^^^ Thats a damn good deal right there... :thumbsup:
My input. Yes from what most everyone said you did over spin your Eaton with that pulley combo, it simply created to much heat. In my opinion, I wouldn't go more than a 2.76 and stock lower with a non ported Eaton. Once it's ported, you can go with a 4lb or 6lb lower max. Even with a ported Eaton, you atleast need a MAfia, injectors and a BAP to be on the safe side.
The price list you were given on the first page is pretty accurate, maybe on the high side. If you do some digging you can maybe find the parts little cheaper. Either way you may need to get your block honed, new pistons, rings and bearings. You can still use the rods and crank once their checked out. You will also need a new oil pump and gaskets. While the heads are off, get the heads checked, valve job, seals and get bronze valve guides installed. The head cooling mod I think the jury is still out in if those really help however, its a good peace of mind. While its torn down, send your Eaton off to Brian (Posi Performance) for one of his ported ones, you wont be sorry with his workmanship on those suckers. If this car isn't your DD, I would try to do the work yourself that way you can get a better understanding of these motors. I did mine last year before I installed the twin turbo kit so if you have any questions feel free to send me a PM. There is an excellent step by step thread on the other modular board of an engine build.
The price list you were given on the first page is pretty accurate, maybe on the high side. If you do some digging you can maybe find the parts little cheaper. Either way you may need to get your block honed, new pistons, rings and bearings. You can still use the rods and crank once their checked out. You will also need a new oil pump and gaskets. While the heads are off, get the heads checked, valve job, seals and get bronze valve guides installed. The head cooling mod I think the jury is still out in if those really help however, its a good peace of mind. While its torn down, send your Eaton off to Brian (Posi Performance) for one of his ported ones, you wont be sorry with his workmanship on those suckers. If this car isn't your DD, I would try to do the work yourself that way you can get a better understanding of these motors. I did mine last year before I installed the twin turbo kit so if you have any questions feel free to send me a PM. There is an excellent step by step thread on the other modular board of an engine build.
CT_SVT
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Hey boys.. sorry to keep every hanging here, been real busy between family and work. I'm currently saving some money to replace the engine. You all have some great input in which direction i should go to be the most affordable. Still not sure completely whats going to be replaced and if any mods are going to happen with the engine build. Will let all know!
Do you have a good shop in mind for the engine work? If not, choose one carefully. One that has a lot of experience with these cars. And I don't know if you saw the post above, but FordSVTParts (an Authorized Vendor here) can get you a pretty good deal on Ford parts. Give Steve a call.
Take your time, choose the right shop and suppliers, and listen to the right advice and you should be fine in the end. And smiling again behind the wheel of your Cobra.
Take your time, choose the right shop and suppliers, and listen to the right advice and you should be fine in the end. And smiling again behind the wheel of your Cobra.
8# and 10# lower, they actually make those? First time Ive ever seen or heard of them. But that might also be the first time Ive seen those wheels on a Cobra. Not trying to be a dick, just sounds like it :rolling:
I got to ride in your old Cobra not too long ago. The guy that bought it from you sold it to another local guy. Its still running around Tucson. Hes now trying to sell it, I think for $28k...Still as clean as ever
Chris started out tuning Terminators and Ford's and is still arguably the best tuner in the Northeast. They went subaru mainly because there is a TON of money in it in his neck of the woods. Most Terminator owners are happy with the usual bolt ons that they can perform themselves (rightfully so. they make a ton of power). The Import crowd was showing up at his door with a blank check to have them build motors and upgrade chassis and turbo's etc etc. He will still tune your Terminator if you ask. EFI blew up pretty big pretty fast so I think people feel he dont care anymore, that's not the case at all. Chris and his crew are top notch. I'm pretty sure he's certified by Cobb himself let alone all the other tuning software he's certified to use. Check out his site, you name the car and he's tuned it.
....Good to see something is happening...GL!!
I ran a 2.9 upper with a 8lb lower with I think my first port. I had to shift the car at like 4,800 or 5,000 rpm's from memory for it to run halfway decent.
OP your car would've probably made peak power at 4,500 rpm's and would've fallen off like a rock afterwards. Waaaayy to much boost.
Last some of you are talking about 23lbs and with an Eaton it WILL NOT WORK. You could go a little bit more than a 2.9/6lb combo but that's still pretty much max. Jake and I have both paid attention and anything over that just doesn't show gains. Your hp will eventually go down and your torque will stay the same imo. Nobody can spin an Eaton that fast and it show gains over a combo with less boost.
OP your car would've probably made peak power at 4,500 rpm's and would've fallen off like a rock afterwards. Waaaayy to much boost.
Last some of you are talking about 23lbs and with an Eaton it WILL NOT WORK. You could go a little bit more than a 2.9/6lb combo but that's still pretty much max. Jake and I have both paid attention and anything over that just doesn't show gains. Your hp will eventually go down and your torque will stay the same imo. Nobody can spin an Eaton that fast and it show gains over a combo with less boost.
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I have a 8lber on my non ported and wouldnt dream of putting a non stock upper on it.
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