NX with BBR tune vs N.O. with AED tune?

[SteveG@Lethal]

Just spoke with Chris and he wanted me to add to this that because he is that confident on his nitrous tunes and will stand by saying that NX is the best on the market... For today only (8-12-13) If you buy ANY Nitrous Express system, it will come with free tune and datalogging, shipping, and a t-shirt.

Now with the free tunes, our packages are priced already around this so you will get the other free items but on a generic system, it will also include the free tuning.

To make sure you all understand, if you buy a basic 10lb system, it will come with a free tune, free datalogging, free shipping, and a t- shirt.

If you buy a complete stage package, it will also include the free shipping, datalogging, and T-shirt

Thanks

 

[125oh]

It might be in the tune . I don't believe my tuner is the best with the coyote . Especially with the boss intake . I think there is some power left n the table. But my air fuel was right on so I am ok with it. I will prob have bbr right me a tune for it and see how it does on the dyno

 

[nonliberal]

Just spoke with Chris and he wanted me to add to this that because he is that confident on his nitrous tunes and will stand by saying that NX is the best on the market... For today only (8-12-13) If you buy ANY Nitrous Express system, it will come with free tune and datalogging, shipping, and a t-shirt.

Now with the free tunes, our packages are priced already around this so you will get the other free items but on a generic system, it will also include the free tuning.

To make sure you all understand, if you buy a basic 10lb system, it will come with a free tune, free datalogging, free shipping, and a t- shirt.

If you buy a complete stage package, it will also include the free shipping, datalogging, and T-shirt

Thanks

Awesome move!! Now this whole thread instantly turned into a BBR ad. LOL :lol:
Love it!

 

[125oh]

Another factor could be I only spun it to 7000 on the dyno spraying up to 6800. With the boss mani I think that hurt me

 

[NitrousExpress]

Looking at possibly going with a 150 shot on e85.
I purchased some 47lb'ers and have contacted Shaun about a e85 tune.
Thats when I started playing with the idea of adding some juice.

From what I've searched, BBR seems to be on the top of the list for bottle fed 5.0's. They have a NX kit with tune for $689.

If I choose for shaun to tune it, I'd have to go with a Nitrous Outlet kit at $699 plus his $450 for tuning e85 plus nitrous.
So, is it worth the extra $460?

The only thing that has me leaning towards shaun is his n/a e85 tune. Seems guys are getting good times with those.

Those of you running nitrous, who did you go with and why?

Thanks guys

Well BBR has been in the 10's...I'm sure Chris and Steve could get you hooked up with an e85 tune.

Thanks buddy.
-Garrett

 

[cbrtrx]

Another factor could be I only spun it to 7000 on the dyno spraying up to 6800. With the boss mani I think that hurt me

Did your 100 shot gain a 150rwhp at 5k rpm like the other nitrous outlet car did? That is a tremedous difference assuming the jets were the same sizes.

 

[Nitro Dave]

Guys, I wish I had more time to respond to this post. I always prefer dealing with these things from a technical matter. Technical facts take time to type out. Unfortunately the guys have me covered up in the back and I am taking the rest of the week off. My daughter is being born tomorrow.


Many of the answers people are asking for were covered in these post already. I think there are some other threads too but I do not have time to search for them.

http://www.svtperformance.com/forum...nitrous-outlet-hardline-plate-kit-tested.html

http://www.svtperformance.com/forum...let-plate-kit-wet-vs-jms-progressive-dry.html

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For those trying to understand the difference in the Nitrous Outlet design VS the NX design here are some cliff notes I have copied from those threads.

"While we pull the fuel at the same location there is a difference in how the rest of the system is designed. The science is in how our plate is designed as well as the fact that we have 500 hp solenoids hard-lined to the nitrous plate. Our jets go into the fittings at the nitrous plate. By staging our system in this fashion we are able to eliminate pre mature phase changes with in our system, therefore maintain a liquid nitrous all the way to the jet. Our dyno numbers, logs and track times show our system to be a proven winner."

"Guys, I am not going to down play another manufactures product. It just does not seem very professional to me.

What I will say is that the fuel piston that comes in our solenoids are E85 compatible. You would need to let us know you have E85 so we can make sure you have the right jetting.

Our systems have the solenoids separate from the plate and the jet is after the solenoid, in the plate fitting. By doing this we are able have less flow restriction in the design and maintain liquid nitrous all the way to the discharge point.

I say pick your poison and roll with it. Invest your money wisely!"

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The facts are the two systems are very well different in design and quality. I will be happy to touch on this more after I return and get caught back up.

What I will say is that if you are shopping for the best Nitrous Outlet is where its at. If you judge quality off price Nitrous Outlet may not be for you.;-)

 

[JUIC3D]

Well BBR has been in the 10's...I'm sure Chris and Steve could get you hooked up with an e85 tune.

Thanks buddy.
-Garrett

With any luck, you'll have another NX car in the 10s this weekend.. I just went 11.5 on street tires(1.9 60') and ordered the drag pack this morning. As long as mother nature cooperates, I'm hoping to have a 10 sec slip in my hands this coming Saturday night.

 

[Nitro Dave]

Did your 100 shot gain a 150rwhp at 5k rpm like the other nitrous outlet car did? That is a tremedous difference assuming the jets were the same sizes.

Every car responds differently. There is also a huge difference in a dyno tune VS a mail order tune.

 

[125oh]

No my no kit did not gain 150rwhp at 5k I used the jets recommended in the kit for 100hp shot . I gained 102hp and roughly 150ftlbs

 

[NitrousExpress]

With any luck, you'll have another NX car in the 10s this weekend.. I just went 11.5 on street tires(1.9 60') and ordered the drag pack this morning. As long as mother nature cooperates, I'm hoping to have a 10 sec slip in my hands this coming Saturday night.

Awesome! We'd love to see your results! Good luck buddy, and have fun!
-Garrett

 

[125oh]

My car was dyno tuned

 

[125oh]

Nitro dave couple questions . Do I need a diff fuel jet when running e85 if staying a 100shot? Also do you offer 125 hp jetting

 

[cbrtrx]

Every car responds differently. There is also a huge difference in a dyno tune VS a mail order tune.

I read that the car you posted had no tuning other then just 2* pulled out on a stock car. The other guy had a dyno tune on a bolt on car but the car you posted had about a 30 percent increase in power from the same size jets? Just doesn't make much sense.

 

[NitrousExpress]

Nitro dave couple questions . Do I need a diff fuel jet when running e85 if staying a 100shot? Also do you offer 125 hp jetting

The jetting will be different for E85.

-Garrett

 

[Nitrous Outlet]

I read that the car you posted had no tuning other then just 2* pulled out on a stock car. The other guy had a dyno tune on a bolt on car but the car you posted had about a 30 percent increase in power from the same size jets? Just doesn't make much sense.

Yes, E85 calls for different fuel jetting. 100HP= 52N , 35F. 125HP= 57N, 41F

 

[125oh]

What is the 125hp shot jet size on just reg fuel ? I didn't think nitrous outlet offrred 125shot. Atleast I didn't see it in my kit

 

[JUIC3D]

What is the 125hp shot jet size on just reg fuel ? I didn't think nitrous outlet offrred 125shot. Atleast I didn't see it in my kit

.057(nitrous jet) is ~125 shot

Also, there is no fuel jet for a specified shot size. The N jet determines the amount of liquid nitrous being introduced into the motor and therefore the "shot" size.

The reason you need a bigger fuel jet on E85 is the same reason you need bigger injectors and possibly more fuel pump when you change from pump gas.

There is less energy in the same volume of E85 than there is in gasoline and that's why you need roughly 30% more flow for the same amount of power on E85 than you do on pump gas.

There's more to it than that, but those are the basics.

So for the same shot size on E85 vs pump gas, you need a slightly bigger fuel jet to flow more E85 to achieve the same fueling.

Hope that makes sense

 

[cbrtrx]

Yes, E85 calls for different fuel jetting. 100HP= 52N , 35F. 125HP= 57N, 41F

I was talking about the hp gains, one car picked up 136rwhp with a gain of 150rwhp in the midrange while the other dyno tuned car picked up 102rwhp. Both were said to have the same nitrous jetting. That is a drastic difference. So you guy are saying that your "100" shot jetting should be picking up aproximetly 140 rwhp?

 

[Shaun@AED]

Shaun, what do you think about this lean spike? Same kit, same design, V6 vs V8

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