A shotgun easily will breach a door aiming down at 45 degrees at the lock mechanism. It fits in your hands so you don't need a pickup to carry it.
Another mass shooting
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Tell me you don’t know shit about guns and/or securing facilities without telling me you don’t know shit about guns and/or securing facilities.
What would releasing them name solve? Nothing.
Regarding that failure point, the most important thing than should happen is training for all teachers.
But good luck, most are liberal retards. My neighbor is a teacher and asked me why BP didn’t shoot the bad guy in the foot. She then went on to say her principal wants all classroom doors open at all times, unless they are alerted of an event. Unbelievable.
I’m sure the first lawsuits will be launched at the school district for the doors.
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Not so.
I am merely attempting to start a dialog concerning what others would have done.
I believe the "damage control " is based on the perceived optics. Some Departments/Agency's seem to be trying to wash their hands of this and shift blame.
Let us not forget who murdered these kids and teachers.
This was a losing situation from the very beginning. The only question was how can it be kept from getting worse.
Latest reports are that the suspect fired over 100 rounds before the first officers arrived. 1 classroom, 100 rounds, 19 kids and 2 teachers dead. Did they all die immediately or within those fist several minutes? No one knows. A reasonable guess would be that it is very likely, considering that was his intent.
Once officers arrived on scene and engaged the suspect at the classroom, they exchanged gunfire. Two officers were wounded and had to retreat to cover. While the officers had the suspect contained in the classroom, the ensuing and sporadic gunfire was reportedly directed in the direction of officers. It was also noted that the door to the classroom was locked from the inside.
I think this turn of events is why the Incident Commander believed that the situation evolved from an active shooter to a barricaded subject, with possible hostages. This is likely why actions against the suspect slowed and planning/preparations to breach with the proper tools/equipment ensued.
A regular cop isn't driving around with ballistic shields, breaching tools, or explosives. SWAT/ HRT teams would be equipped for this, but I don’t recall seeing any of these units there. ( might be wrong)
This could be why it was handed to USBP BORTAC.
During the response, officers established a perimeter to contain the area around the school. Other officers entered the school and began evacuating students from the other classrooms.
Yes, it's reported that over 100 LEO'S, on duty and off duty, responded to the scene of what was initially reported as an active shooter. Hardly what would be expected of a coward.
Not everybody can get directly involved with the suspect. Everybody on scene has a role to perform, ie: perimeter security, Command and Control, communications, liason, triage, searching/clearing other areas, rescue.
The suspect was contained and unable to move throughout the school and kill more people. Let's not ignore the lives that were saved.
Yes, it is absolutely horrible what happened, but it was lose/lose. The only question was by how much.
I don't understand why people are laying these kids deaths at the feet of "cowards" and not at the feet of the suspect who shot them.
If we're going to point fingers and place blame, why aren't people going after the teacher who violated policy and left the door propped open? If they did as they were supposed to and kept the door locked, would the suspect have been able to do what he did? We'll never know.
Now, I don't blame that teacher either. How could they have know what was going to happen?
How did they screw up and what was the gross negligence?
How and who allowed the weirdo to make entry is a rather important part of the equation. The person deserves no sympathy nor protection (not literally). When we (the average guy) messes up, we usually are forced to deal with it but I have a feeling the teachers and police union will do everything to protect these people.
Your last sentence though? I'd sue the eternal crap out of the teacher.
Your last sentence though? I'd sue the eternal crap out of the teacher.
She broke policy which directly contributed to the deaths of many.
But she's not to blame?
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She didnt know it was going to happen, no one did. Doesnt mean she's not partially to blame.
The SWAT team was/is only a part time unit in Uvalde.
Some of your statements and questions make me think you watch a lot of CSI and
NYPD Blue.
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Weird. Back in my FD days, most interior doors opened into the room, much like your interior home doors. It was a way for firefighters working with no visibility to tell if it was an interior door or exterior door.
The shooter killed, yes, that's a given but the complete idiocy of a few others (chief, teacher, etc..,) compounded the matter. If you or I screwed up to such a degree, we wouldn't be given the benefit of the doubt nor would our feelings be taken into consideration.
I don't recall the teacher shooting anyone.
If you want to blame her(?) for the murders, to what extent is she culpable?
Did the teacher that was killed get what she deserved for not locking the classroom door?
Neither, actually.The SWAT team was/is only a part time unit in Uvalde.
Some of your statements and questions make me think you watch of CSI and
NYPD Blue.
Do you guys sit on the same couch to watch television?
so you're saying she's 0% responsible? You dont have to pull the trigger to be partially responsible.
If she's 1% responsible, she should get treated as such.
Tired of the stupidity in this country, know how you make it go away? Make being stupid very very expensive.
thats right.
We'd catch charges.
Teacher should 100000% catch negligence charges at MINIMUM. Honestly, should throw the book at her.
Stop. Allowing. Stupid. To. Run. Rampant.
I don’t think anyone is expressly saying the teacher isn’t responsible. Probably gonna eat a bullet.
But as I mentioned before, what does that solve? Nothing.
Look at every GOV scandal. What does it turn into? A blame game with congressional hearings and blah blah blah.
Nobody ever talks about a solution to the problem or preventing it from happening.
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Then how the hell do you know what he watches on TV, unless you guys are sharing the same bowl of popcorn?
I’m the guy that suggested we have armed security at every school, as a way for enlisted servicemen to have work / jobs when they return.
I’m all for solutions, and punishment is part of a solution.
Solving and prevention can happen while punishing someone for their actions. Being this involves government workers I'd be shocked if anything of serious consequence happens.
Hopefully a few people realize they can not live with their actions or in actions.
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