Attention MT-82 victoms!!!

[AmnDucky]

If you want the same treatment, try following my formula:

1. Register at allfordmustangs.com and send a message to user FordCustSrvc explaining your problem in detail.

2. Deysha will respond and assign you a case number and customer care rep.

3. Your customer care rep will call you and setup an appointment with your dealer.

4. Be polite and respectful... And state the truth: I am not happy with my car at all right now. It is not driving like it did when I bought it.

Another option would be to wait until mine is repaired... Let's see if this does the trick... if it does, you can go straight to the service manager, raise your hand and say "NEXT!"

I am already a member of AFM, I'll send the PM and see what it does. I need to call the service manager at Frontier back after the holidays, he probably thinks I am ignoring him now. All I want is a car that will work

 

[drew2000]

http://www.fcsdchemicalsandlubricants.com/Main/quickref/mantrans.pdf

http://www.fcsdchemicalsandlubricants.com/Main/category.asp?select=[Transmission Fluid] (click on Full Synthetic Transmission Fluid)

Ok, so both the Motorcraft fluid site and chart says to use 75w90Motorcraft Synthetic Manual fluid...is it possible that the right fluid was put in at the factory and just the owners manual is wrong?? Or does anyone know if the factory is putting in the Dual Clutch transmission fluid and we maybe should change it?? I'm confused...

 

[firemanmike]

op:

 

[Sc0tty2h0ttie]

http://www.fcsdchemicalsandlubricants.com/Main/quickref/mantrans.pdf

FCSD Chemicals and Lubricants (click on Full Synthetic Transmission Fluid)

Ok, so both the Motorcraft fluid site and chart says to use 75w90Motorcraft Synthetic Manual fluid...is it possible that the right fluid was put in at the factory and just the owners manual is wrong?? Or does anyone know if the factory is putting in the Dual Clutch transmission fluid and we maybe should change it?? I'm confused...

The fluid I took out of my tranny was thicker then the RP 75w90 gear oil i put in, and synchromesh was easily the thinnest. xt-m5-qs is a light honey color 75w90, so why was the fluid i took out of my tranny a dark thick sticky fluid?

I'm convinced it is the wrong fluid from the factory. My tranny is working flawlessly with the synchromesh in there. No whine, no notchy, no grinds... i haven't had a single grind or problem since i switched.

So, believe what you may.

 

[steedafever]

mine has started to be very notchy. looks like i will be doing this soon. how much do you add/ replace.

 

[RSKtakR]

ok so I took my car back to the dealership that I bought it at and had the clutch assembly replaced, and also the pedals.. i told them about my rear end issue and that I wanted someone to go for a ride w/ me and listen to it etc.. and i also started inquiring about the trans being notchy now since its cold and what fluid was in it... I was told that i need to go to a different dealership because they are tired of my car always being back there for warranty work, and that IF my car came back in for more warranty work (the entire clutch assembly being replaced and the clutch pedal being replaced) that Ford would send someone down to inspect my car since the dealership knew i had raced the car 3 times at the dragstrip, and that I dont want that to happen because "ford never lose's". I was also told that they were upset that I "Blasted Ford on the questionair I was sent" which is true because of all the clutch problems, clutch pedal problems etc. and that my rear end was making noise from being raced at the dragstrip (keep in mind they havent even heard what its doing). So I left there and went to a different dealership, took thier service manager for a ride, and then there just happend to be a Engineer in that day from Ford, that also went out and drove my car. I also asked about the trans fluid here.. I was told that it sounds like my rear end has a bearing of some sort going out (it started at 6700 miles and now im at 9800). The engineer also said that they are looking into this trans fluid issue, and wokring on it now. The friction modifier that was suggested to add before to rememdy the problem isnt working. as of now there is no remedy: this is what the sheet says that i was given:

"21661 2011 MUSTANG-MT82 COLD START EFFORT
SOME 2011 MUSTANG VEHICALS EQUIPPED WITH A MT82 6-SPEED MANUAL TRANSMISSION MAY EXHIBIT INCREASED SHIFT EFFORTS IN COLD AMBIENT TEMPERATURES. THIS IS USUALLY MOST NOTICABLE IN 1ST AND 2ND GEARS BUT MAY ALSO BE NOTICED IN 3RD THROUGH 6TH GEARS. ENGINEERIN IS INVESTIGATING THIS CONCERN AND NO REPAIRS ARE RECOMMENDED AT THIS TIME. THE USE OF FRICTION MODIFIERS OR OTHER FLUID ADDITIVES IS NOT RECOMMENDED SINCLE ALOTHOUGH THEY MAY PROVIDE SOME IMMEDIATE IMPROVEMENT IN COLD SHIFT EFFORT, THEY ARE LIKELY TO RESULT IN LONG TERM DEGRADATION OF THE SYNCHRONIZERS. EFFECTIVE DATE: 12/20/2010"

i also asked the service manager what fluid they would use if i wanted the trans fluid changed and he had told me the XT-M5-QS. He said this is what should be in my trans now, and that the 6cyl 6spd trans gets a different fluid, and the gt500 should be getting the XT-11-QDC. The engineer said that he will personally let me know what they find out about the trans fluid, and he will be contacting me after the new year to have my car brought in to have the rear end looked at/replaced. So i think that after talking to him about this fluid problem etc.. i will just leave what is in there.. in it.. that way IF the trans shoots craps and it is investigated (in my car) and the fluid is sent off to be analyzed then i wont get screwed out of a trans replacement..

 

[captcarb]

The online service manual recommends the following:

GT500 (TR6060)--Mercon V p/n xt-5-qm (atf)

Mustang and Mustang GT (MT-82) p/n xt-m5-qs (75w90 synthetic)

It makes sense (to me) that a thicker fluid would give more problems in cold weather.

 

[Sc0tty2h0ttie]

ok so I took my car back to the dealership that I bought it at and had the clutch assembly replaced, and also the pedals.. i told them about my rear end issue and that I wanted someone to go for a ride w/ me and listen to it etc.. and i also started inquiring about the trans being notchy now since its cold and what fluid was in it... I was told that i need to go to a different dealership because they are tired of my car always being back there for warranty work, and that IF my car came back in for more warranty work (the entire clutch assembly being replaced and the clutch pedal being replaced) that Ford would send someone down to inspect my car since the dealership knew i had raced the car 3 times at the dragstrip, and that I dont want that to happen because "ford never lose's". I was also told that they were upset that I "Blasted Ford on the questionair I was sent" which is true because of all the clutch problems, clutch pedal problems etc. and that my rear end was making noise from being raced at the dragstrip (keep in mind they havent even heard what its doing). So I left there and went to a different dealership, took thier service manager for a ride, and then there just happend to be a Engineer in that day from Ford, that also went out and drove my car. I also asked about the trans fluid here.. I was told that it sounds like my rear end has a bearing of some sort going out (it started at 6700 miles and now im at 9800). The engineer also said that they are looking into this trans fluid issue, and wokring on it now. The friction modifier that was suggested to add before to rememdy the problem isnt working. as of now there is no remedy: this is what the sheet says that i was given:

Funny, ford said that... I have a friend whom is a "Regional" mechanic for another car brand. He told me: They have a certain number for times a dealership can see a car for they same issue and if the dealership doesn't fix it in those amount of times they send a specialist for the region to look at the car, and that looks horrible on the mechanics at that dealership. He is one of those specialist. Then if the specialist sees it some any times for the specific issue they are legally bound to replace the entire car under some lemon law... I wonder if they were making you go to another dealership to restart those numbers. hmmmmmmmm

IDK if ford follows the exact same producers but some food for thought.

 

[phoneman91]

How do we know what the factory fill is? Perhaps the owner manual is just a misprint and the factory is actually installing the correct fluid in the transmissions. Are you making the assumption that the fluid is incorrect because of the owners manual misstatement and just because of the color and viscosity of the transmission fluid that is in the transmission?

Isn't it to be expected for the viscosity and color of used transmission fluid to change somewhat in service because of normal break in wear and because of ambient temperature?

 

[Squeeler92]

Welcome to owning a Tremec. Some will shift smooth as butter, while others will be notchy, sometimes even failing to engage certain gears entirely on an intermittent level. Same story over on the GM side of the pond ... most are fine, but plenty of stories of notchy gears and gears that won't engage at all from time to time. Yes, cold makes it worse. No, no fluid will cure it. It may help things, but nothing will cure it aside from a rebuild.

 

[captcarb]

There has been plenty of muddying the issue here. The logical approach would be to change the fluid and put in the factory recommended xt-m5-qs which is a manual transmission 75w90 synthetic fluid and is the only fluid that Ford recommends for the Getrag MT-82. I might do that just to see what happens and have them save a sample of the drained fluid.

Several members have installed other brands of 75w90 for various reasons and have presented anecdotal evidence that there is a difference in the various 75w90's including the way the trans behaves with them.

The guys on the GM forums can't agree whether to use the Tremec and GM recommended atf (automatic transmission fluid) or the Syncromesh (both GM and after market) which is 75w90 in their Tremecs. They are split on the issue including some rebuilders recommending the 75w90. This discussion has been ongoing for years.

As a side issue the 2011 owners manual recommended dct fluid is recommended by Motorcarft for use in dual clutch transmission ONLY, dct= dual clutch transmission.

 

[Sc0tty2h0ttie]

How do we know what the factory fill is? Perhaps the owner manual is just a misprint and the factory is actually installing the correct fluid in the transmissions. Are you making the assumption that the fluid is incorrect because of the owners manual misstatement and just because of the color and viscosity of the transmission fluid that is in the transmission?

Isn't it to be expected for the viscosity and color of used transmission fluid to change somewhat in service because of normal break in wear and because of ambient temperature?

well i had the RP 75w90 in the garage cold and the mystery fluid came out of a warm tranny and was still thicker then the cold RP 75w90.

Plus, mileage wont make the tranny fluid go from light honey to dark red/brown. It maybe a darker honey color from mileage but Ive never seen mileage add red to a fluid.

 

[Sc0tty2h0ttie]

this is what it boils down too, switch it and keep the original fluid. It doesn't take but 30-60 mins to do. If the synchromesh fluid fixes it then you know it was the wrong fluid and if it doesnt put the original fluid in. No harm no foul.... Then you will know for yourself if it works.

 

[Ry_Trapp0]

ok so I took my car back to the dealership that I bought it at and had the clutch assembly replaced, and also the pedals.. i told them about my rear end issue and that I wanted someone to go for a ride w/ me and listen to it etc.. and i also started inquiring about the trans being notchy now since its cold and what fluid was in it... I was told that i need to go to a different dealership because they are tired of my car always being back there for warranty work, and that IF my car came back in for more warranty work (the entire clutch assembly being replaced and the clutch pedal being replaced) that Ford would send someone down to inspect my car since the dealership knew i had raced the car 3 times at the dragstrip, and that I dont want that to happen because "ford never lose's". I was also told that they were upset that I "Blasted Ford on the questionair I was sent" which is true because of all the clutch problems, clutch pedal problems etc. and that my rear end was making noise from being raced at the dragstrip (keep in mind they havent even heard what its doing). So I left there and went to a different dealership, took thier service manager for a ride, and then there just happend to be a Engineer in that day from Ford, that also went out and drove my car. I also asked about the trans fluid here.. I was told that it sounds like my rear end has a bearing of some sort going out (it started at 6700 miles and now im at 9800). The engineer also said that they are looking into this trans fluid issue, and wokring on it now. The friction modifier that was suggested to add before to rememdy the problem isnt working. as of now there is no remedy

you need to call up ford ASAP and report this dealership, because that's absolutely pathetic.

Welcome to owning a Tremec.

welcome to owning a getrag:shrug:

 

[Squeeler92]

you need to call up ford ASAP and report this dealership, because that's absolutely pathetic.

Where someone will assure you that something will be done, apologize to you, and absolutely nothing will be done/said to that dealership. Sad truth ...

welcome to owning a getrag:shrug:

My bad ... thought it was the same transmission as in the Shelbys. I'll just see myself out ...

 

[wbt]

There has been plenty of muddying the issue here. The logical approach would be to change the fluid and put in the factory recommended xt-m5-qs which is a manual transmission 75w90 synthetic fluid and is the only fluid that Ford recommends for the Getrag MT-82. I might do that just to see what happens and have them save a sample of the drained fluid.

Several members have installed other brands of 75w90 for various reasons and have presented anecdotal evidence that there is a difference in the various 75w90's including the way the trans behaves with them.

The guys on the GM forums can't agree whether to use the Tremec and GM recommended atf (automatic transmission fluid) or the Syncromesh (both GM and after market) which is 75w90 in their Tremecs. They are split on the issue including some rebuilders recommending the 75w90. This discussion has been ongoing for years.

As a side issue the 2011 owners manual recommended dct fluid is recommended by Motorcarft for use in dual clutch transmission ONLY, dct= dual clutch transmission.

Totally agree. I have researched this pretty well and when I replace the clutch, driveshaft and shifter next spring I will be using RP 75w90.

The OP hasn't revealed anything new here. Many of us have investigated it and are waiting on the outcome/revelation of replacing the fluid.

My personal belief is replacing the stock shifter and fluid will resolve 95% of the shifting issues experienced.

I will say I am perfectly fine with the shifting but it could be improved. Cold manual transmissions exhibit the same behavior. My wife's 2010 GT500 is the same with the TR6060.

The sky isn't falling...

 

[Tob]

Thank God the internet didn't exist some 40+ years ago when Ford was installing Toploaders, with their thick and heavy "gear lube", in the muscle of the day. It would have broken from the overload of cold weather complaints.

 

[captcarb]

The Royal Purple Syncromax and the Amsoil Syncromesh are NOT 75w90 like the Ford fluid.

The Amsoil and RP are spec'd for transmissions that use ATF (like the Tremec) and are much thinner than the Ford fluid. That is why the trans shifts better in low temps with the ATF style fluid. The lighter oil obviously does not meet the Ford spec for the MT-82.

Whether the syncros will hold up with the lighter fluid remains to be seen. Whether the trans will hold up in hot temps remains to be seen.

Ford also specs the ATF in the Tremec equiped GT500 so they are aware of it.

RP does make a 75w90.

 

[captcarb]

Here is a really interesting lube recommendation chart by
RP:

Royal Purple Transmission Lubricant Chart

 

[ViciousJay]

Here is a really interesting lube recommendation chart by
RP:

Royal Purple Transmission Lubricant Chart

so they want us to use 10w40!?!