Bone stock 03 Cobra vs 2011 GT
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quick question: is this a regular production car or just another aftermarket option?
im assuming this is the super snake?
Shelby/Prudhomme Super Snake!
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Dreamer of the year goes to red3v that thinks he can trap 110 in an intake/exhaust full weight Auto mach
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Dreamer of the year goes to red3v that thinks he can trap 110 in an intake/exhaust Auto mach
Sorry, that isn't nutswinging. I said it's a drivers race. They weigh the same (no need to be technical) the Cobra makes a bit more power and TQ, and has a stronger powerband.
Both are strong cars, however, I hate when people make excuses about a certain car (i.e bad driver, flux capacitor didn't kick in, etc.)
Run what ya brung.
i think he might be talking about the mid-80's when the corvette wasn't gm's fastest car, and the 5.0 mustangs' main competition were the buick grand nationals.
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What's more funny than 5.0 nutswingers are the guys who get irked by it on a FORD forum.
The M3 is a better car than the 5.0, but guess what, the 5.0 IS competition for it.
Lets see, it comes with all the same available options.
Touch screen navigation
Great Ergonomics
Equal interior room
Equal exterior dimensions
They weigh the same
They make the same power
The GT pulls .96gs on the skidpad, (same as a Corvette and M3).
The GT does the figure 8 in under 25 seconds, (same as a Corvette and M3).
The GT brakes from 60 in 108ft, (same as a Corvette and M3).
Those are the FACTS. Yes the M3 is a nicer, more refined car, but unlike the Camaro, the Mustang IS competition for the M3 as an overall performer, (not just 1/4 mile times). :bored:
2011 Camaro - $30,xxx MSRP
3860lbs
426hp
Lateral grip .89Gs
Figure8 25.9
Braking 60-0 112ft
2011 M3 - $60,xxx MSRP
3600lbs
414hp
Lateral grip .95Gs
Figure8 25.1
Braking 60-0 110ft
2011 Mustang GT - $30,xxx MSRP
3600lbs
412hp
Lateral grip .96Gs
Figure8 24.9
Braking 60-0 108ft
2011 C6 Corvette - $48,xxx MSRP
3245lbs
436hp (Z51 package)
Lateral grip .97Gs (Z51 package)
Figure-8 24.9 (Z51 package)
Braking 60-0 110ft
The LS3 C6 is considerably faster, (and considerably more expensive) than the Mustang, no one is saying otherwise. It is also a 2 seater sports car, whereas the Mustang and M3 are coupes.
The Camaro? In terms of handling, interior, available options, power to weight ratio, size doesn't come remotely close to an M3 or Corvette. What seems to irk people is the new 2011 Mustang actually does.
Hence why comparisons like these exist, not just by "fanboys" but car enthusiasts who can see past the Mustang badge and assume it = Camaro.
2011 Ford Mustang GT vs. 2010 BMW M3: Tie Game? [w/poll] — Autoblog
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Anyways, good kill. I personally think a new GT should hang with a stock 03-04 Cobra nicely but anything can happen.
Oh yeah?
Dreamer of the year goes to red3v that thinks he can trap 110 in an intake/exhaust Auto mach
Sorry, that isn't nutswinging. I said it's a drivers race. They weigh the same (no need to be technical) the Cobra makes a bit more power and TQ, and has a stronger powerband.
Both are strong cars, however, I hate when people make excuses about a certain car (i.e bad driver, flux capacitor didn't kick in, etc.)
Run what ya brung.
i agree run what ya brung :beer: idk what it will trap but we will see ;-)
What's more funny than 5.0 nutswingers are the guys who get irked by it on a FORD forum.
The M3 is a better car than the 5.0, but guess what, the 5.0 IS competition for it.
Lets see, it comes with all the same available options.
Touch screen navigation
Great Ergonomics
Equal interior room
Equal exterior dimensions
They weigh the same
They make the same power
The GT pulls .96gs on the skidpad, (same as a Corvette and M3).
The GT does the figure 8 in under 25 seconds, (same as a Corvette and M3).
The GT brakes from 60 in 108ft, (same as a Corvette and M3).
Those are the FACTS. Yes the M3 is a nicer, more refined car, but unlike the Camaro, the Mustang IS competition for the M3 as an overall performer, (not just 1/4 mile times). :bored:
2011 Camaro - $30,xxx MSRP
3860lbs
426hp
Lateral grip .89Gs
Figure8 25.9
Braking 60-0 112ft
2011 M3 - $60,xxx MSRP
3600lbs
414hp
Lateral grip .95Gs
Figure8 25.1
Braking 60-0 110ft
2011 Mustang GT - $30,xxx MSRP
3600lbs
412hp
Lateral grip .96Gs
Figure8 24.9
Braking 60-0 108ft
2011 C6 Corvette - $48,xxx MSRP
3245lbs
436hp (Z51 package)
Lateral grip .97Gs (Z51 package)
Figure-8 24.9 (Z51 package)
Braking 60-0 110ft
The LS3 C6 is considerably faster, (and considerably more expensive) than the Mustang, no one is saying otherwise. It is also a 2 seater sports car, whereas the Mustang and M3 are coupes.
The Camaro? In terms of handling, interior, available options, power to weight ratio, size doesn't come remotely close to an M3 or Corvette. What seems to irk people is the new 2011 Mustang actually does.
Hence why comparisons like these exist, not just by "fanboys" but car enthusiasts who can see past the Mustang badge and assume it = Camaro.
2011 Ford Mustang GT vs. 2010 BMW M3: Tie Game? [w/poll] — Autoblog
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Anyways, good kill. I personally think a new GT should hang with a stock 03-04 Cobra nicely but anything can happen.
There is a lot of truth in your retort, but like you said and Im glad you admit..
"The M3 is a better car than the 5.0".
The M3 is a better car, so is the Corvette and so on.... not just by the numbers but their class... Numbers arent everything...
Just because the GT puts out execptional numbers for what it is, it does not mean that it is that cars competition.
C6 ZR1 > Shelby Super Snake
'10 Shelby SS: 750 hp @ 6200 rpm/710 lb-ft @ 5000 rpm, 0-60mph in 4.1 sec , 0-100mph in 8.3 sec, Quarter mile 12.0 sec @ 120.1 mph
'09 C6ZR1: 638hp @ 6500rpm/604 lb-ft @ 3800rpm, 0-60 mph in 3.3 seconds, 0-100 mph in 7.0 seconds, Quarter-mile 11.3 seconds at 131 mph
How is the Shelby SS king??? :shrug: :shrug:
That was my whole point though, it's not just the numbers on paper that make it competition for the M3. It's the quality of the interior, the size, the available options, etc. While the M3 is more refined and a nicer car, the Mustang can compete with it in virtually every aspect.
Just like, while a Porsche 911 is a nicer more refined car than a C6 Z06, a C6Z can compete with it in virtually every aspect.
No offense, but I think "classes" are for snobs. It's kind of like saying, no matter what this car is way better because of the badge and what it represents. :beer:
LOL, I don't for a second think the super snake compares to a ZR1, but those numbers right there are ridiculous.
A base 540hp GT500 has run better than 12.0s @ 120mph. A properly driven 750hp GT500 will run WAY faster than 12.0s, I think that should be obvious. ;-)
that looks to me like the 1/4 for the 635 hp ss not the 720.....
Hennessey Chevrolet Camaro HPE650 vs SpeedFactory Challenger SRT8 vs Ford Shelby GT500 Super Snake Specs - Motor Trend
Yeah, I was going to say, I just looked it up and the 725hp Super Snake went 10s@134mph lol.
2008 Shelby Super Snake - Run Time - Muscle Mustangs & Fast Fords
"This worked well, as the Shelby dug in with minimal spin and with lots of g-force. A quick "lift-shift" into Second kept the Mickeys glued and all 4,120 pounds accelerating hard. At 6,100 rpm I powershifted into Third gear, and then Fourth moments later. Once in high gear, the performance was evident and the Super Snake ate up terra firma at a great rate. The improved launch and smooth Second gear exchange got us to the stripe in 10.870 seconds at 134.14 mph. We were in the 10s with 4,120 pounds of Shelby Mustang in full street trim, and with the engine gulping 93-octane pump gas."
While the Super Snake is cool as a powerful collectible GT500; it's not nearly on the same level as the ZR1 in terms of overall performance.
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I agree with almost everything you have said.
Yes the 911 is a far superior car to the z06 and that is because its in a superior class. "Class" is not necessarily always for snobs but instead a way to separate higher quality and superior craftsmanship also history.
Ill put it to you like this,
If you had the choice between 2 very hot chicks 10 out of 10 on the scale for both of them. One is a whore that everyone and their mama has ragged out and abused and the other is a girl with class that has had minimum partnerships with other males. Which one would you choose?
Thats what "class" is for....:beer:
Must of these guys see these cars that are being moded for advertisement . They have weight removed ,exhaust work and special tunes running on 104 octane fuel and we have no clue what else. Then the average joe buys one and get raped. I don't understand why my car doesn't do this or do that. The answer is don't be fooled be everything you see.They are nice cars but boy the ford guys are losing there minds.An i'm a die hard ford man :bash:
LMAO..:beer:
Anyways, I didn't mean to imply I'd take a Mustang over an M3. Obviously, I would take a $60,000 M3 over a $30,000 Mustang just like I would take a $180,000 Porsche over a $80,000 Corvette.
My whole point was that the Mustang can compete with an M3 in virtually aspect, regardless of which class the M3 is supposed to be in.
While I would take a 911 over a C6 Z06, I wouldn't say it's far superior. A C6 Z06 can do everything a 911 can while offering the same level of comfort. Which means, the Z06 is in fact competition for the 911. What it's not, is a Chevy with a pushrod small block that's not in the same "class".
I guess we have different perspectives that's all, (that is on cars, not girls :lol
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Yeah, without a warranty.
ZYBORG, Z06s are gay...your gay lol! Go easy on um! Nice kill to the OP!
Ya sounds like a driver mod is needed for the 5.0
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