I was at SALEEN today in Irvine and I seen two of these BOSS 302's....They look pretty bad ass with the intake sticking out like the mach 1 but with a 302 sticker on it.
That's not the car we're talking about. We're refering to one to be built by Ford.SVTZEUS said:I was at SALEEN today in Irvine and I seen two of these BOSS 302's....They look pretty bad ass with the intake sticking out like the mach 1 but with a 302 sticker on it.
hogwash, the cobra competion was a 4.6 wearing the fr500 goodies, Ford rated it at 380 horses, MT ran it to 13.0's @105 or so years ago. They had it, I'll bet it would've past emissions, obviously it woulON D BIT said:if they could have gotten that much horsepower out of an 4.6 dohc, and had it pass all emissions and durability testing we would not have a blower on the 03/04 mustang svt's. the whole reason coletti and svt went the blower route was because they were not able to get that much power out of a n/a 4.6.
so no the the boss will not feature a 4.6 or 5.0 based on one reason. the ford congregants and historians all want a boss that will compete on the track. with this in mind i see a 400hp+ al 5.8 boss engine with a handling package in 2010. we all know how fast ford builds engines and new cars.;-)
Fourcam330 said:Agreed. Something else to think about is that Boss 302s were pigs until high rpm, absolute dogs. That's not something I'd desire in any type of car, regardless of historical reference.
My speculation on weight: 3600-3650lbs.
E. Green Cobra said:hogwash, the cobra competion was a 4.6 wearing the fr500 goodies, Ford rated it at 380 horses, MT ran it to 13.0's @105 or so years ago. They had it, I'll bet it would've past emissions, obviously it woul...
ON D BIT said:colletti said himself that they could not get the power levels they wanted with a n/a dohc 4.6l engine. thats why they went to the blown engine. andy and tim would be able to confirm or deny this statement.:idea:
but i do have question. if ford did get 380 out of the 4.6 why could they only get 320 out of the 01 model? or better yet why did they go with the blown 03? a n/a al block 4.6 with 380 would have been a better handling car with better power to weight than the 03's that were built.
BlackBolt9 said:Maybe costs? The man racer has a 5.0L naturally asperated mod motor making over 500HP. So yes the 4.6L block can be taken to a 5.0 and make way more than 400HP. It is just too expensive to put in a production vehicle. Whether or not it passes emissions or reliability testing I have no information on so that may be where it is lacking along with $$.
ON D BIT said:so where are all those n/a 4.6l with 400 horses? andy has already said that the limit on the new saleen 5.0 is 400hp. there is a reason why gm went with a 6.0 to get 400 horses out of thier n/a engines.:idea:
ON D BIT said:colletti said himself that they could not get the power levels they wanted with a n/a dohc 4.6l engine. thats why they went to the blown engine. andy and tim would be able to confirm or deny this statement.:idea:
ON D BIT said:so where are all those n/a 4.6l with 400 horses? andy has already said that the limit on the new saleen 5.0 is 400hp. there is a reason why gm went with a 6.0 to get 400 horses out of thier n/a engines.:idea:
Is that the intake that comes on the 5.0L cammer? I have seen one of the GAC cars with the cammer and thought it had that intake. I didn't know they were $3000 thoughFourcam330 said:The 380hp+ N/A 4.6 4Vs used FR500 components, most importantly a $3000 dual runner magnesium intake. They may have been able to make 400flywheel/345rwhp with that combo, but it's definitely not cost effective.
ON D BIT said:the fact remains though, ford can not create a mass produced mustang with a n/a 380 horsepower 4.6. if they could we would already see one on the street.:beer:
BlackBolt9 said:Is that the intake that comes on the 5.0L cammer? I have seen one of the GAC cars with the cammer and thought it had that intake. I didn't know they were $3000 though
TORQUERULES said:I have heard of rwhp in the 380s-400 with ported stock heads and cams.
Fourcam330 said:The Boy Racer uses FR500 heads and the dual runner intake, the Man Racer uses GT heads and a custom single (manually adjustable) runner manifold. I've heard estimates of the Man Racer intake costing $5-6k, some of that may have to do with build numbers though.
Tom:BlackBolt9 said:Ouch! I also noticed the throttle body on the GAC car (I'm assuming its a Boyracer or at least similar) was similar to the TB on my Lightning. Is it in fact a shared part? Am I correct in saying the Lightning TB is the same as the V10 engine and I think the '00 R as well?
ac427cobra said:Tom:
I'm fairly certian the '00 R had a unique TB?:shrug:
Fourcam330 said:You've heard a good bit of BS. In fact I'm pretty sure you're thinking of BBR, who claimed 415rwhp with a stock shortblock 3v. I slammed them on the Corral over a year ago for making false claims and I don't think they've recovered yet. The fact is a $15,000 Pure Street 4v 4.6 with ported 03/04 heads, billet cams, FR500 intake, and ~12:1 C/R won't make too much more power than that; more importantly it occurs at 8500+rpm.
Lately we've seen a few reputable builders with H/C packages for 3Vs make ~340-350rw, add a little compression from a forged bottom end and you'll maybe make 360-365rw that's it.
The amount of power a motor can make is all decided in the cylinder head, and a 3v head is incapable of the type of flow that's necessary for such power.