03 Cobra vs 2010 gt500

[SlowSVT]

amazing that I get ripped a new one for comparing a 2010 Stage 3 and 2010 GT500 but yet morons still somehow argue an 8 year old Terminator compares to a modern GT500

LMAO

There is a lot of coolaid on this site being drank

(I am not directing this at any one person as I have not read through this whole thread so don't shoot me if I stepped on your toes)

This thread was actually pretty civil up till now :nonono:

:nono: Don't be dissing on the ol Terminator. That car has a few attributes that the GT500 lacks. The Shelby is a bigger car in every dimension which comes at a price which a few GT500 owners have grudgingly admitted. For a modding platform for someone who wants a "seat-of-the-pants fun to drive" car the Cobra would be a hard act to follow (the friggen chassis has a shorter wheelbase then a Honda Civic ). Some of us prefer the compact sleeker, low-key appearance of the Terminator. The interior is almost completely void of any decorative trim and is all business (Road&Track called it "dipped in flat black primer" look). It’s not likely someone will convince me to part with mine. It has the right combination of features and I consider it to be the best performance car once the flaws have been modded out of it.

No offence. The GT500 in my opinion is the best muscle car you car buy off the showroom floor and Ford has done a great job refining it each year. There are just a few aspects of the Shelby I can't get past. My hope is it gets smaller again and an IRS soon......... A Terminator retro perhaps :coolman:

 

[Ry_Trapp0]

no one's saying that the cobra is just a POS(i don't think anyone is saying that anyways), just that stock for stock and mod for mod it isn't going to hang with a GT500, nor should anyone expect it to. i mean, we are talking about the next generation version of the cobra, correct? so why wouldn't you expect it to perform better, even if just slightly?

besides, you can't be a ford guy if you can't give respect to the terminators!

 

[Jroc]

i didn't call names, i stated an observation. i'm sorry if i caused you to feel butt hurt because of an internet post though, i didn't mean to hurt your feelings.

and, yes, your right, a mildly modded terminator(I.E., springs, shocks, CAI, exhaust, tune) can TOTALLY compete with a stock '07-'09 GT500. OBVIOUSLY, professional driver sam hubinette is biased, so he under drove the cobra to give the GT500 the win on the road course. probably just to spite you!


lol, go ahead, post up all of the slalom and skidpad numbers you want. it doesn't change the fact that a professional driver drove a stock GT500 and an almost stock cobra on a road course, in the same conditions, on the same day, and the GT500 absolutely beat it's ass.
wherever you got the idea that i said that a stock GT500 could out handle a griggs equipped cobra(or whatever the **** your going on about), i have no clue. i said it would, and it did, beat a cobra with springs, shocks, and bolt ons.

You stated the obvious? Well whats even more retarded is for a little bitch who can afford neither to always go around and act like he know everything about these car because he read it in a form or watched in on Youtube. Have you ever ridden in either car? A mildly modded Terminator is more than a stock GT500 wants to have to deal with.

I mean seriously are you stupid? You act like that car possibly having drag shock is out of the question. What are some of the more popular aftermarket shocks for Terminators? QA1, and strange are two of them and they're not really geared towards the road course. Also if he's running aftermarket shocks with factory struts that would even further lead me to believe that they are drag shocks. So me pointing out that you don't know what kind of shocks he has is a perfectly legit point. BTW I think you're ignorant as hell as to what that Cobra has, and you probably don't know what the **** you're talking about when you make claims on what he has. If he's looking to improve on the factory Bilsteins all around performance then he better go in there with some pretty decent shock/struts as the factory are pretty good, and most people just wanting a drop don't change the shocks/struts.

The point is a GT500 should be a better performing car than a Terminator, but the way you always try and push the Terminator to be inferior to every S197 is BS especially when you have zero experiance with one. Sure its chassis isn't as modern, but its not some flip floppy car that roles over itself everytime it hits a turn which you try and make it out as doing. Other than a 2,000 Cobra R its probably the flatiest corning factory Mustang there is. I don't really give a **** weither you just gave it props in your last post or not because its just you trying to kiss some ass as you don't want every other Terminator owner on this site to come and ridicule you for talking shit about a car that you can't even come close touching with anything other than your keyboard as you don't have shit. I mean tell us what do you drive? Its not even a Mustang is it?

I'm not going to magazine, and video race you as thats for little bitches and wannabe owners. A Grigg equiped Cobra would completely destroy a stock GT500.

 

[Ry_Trapp0]

*boohoo, butt hurt from an internet post*


"...but the way you always try and push the Terminator to be inferior to every S197 is BS..."

lets see here, stiffer modern chassis, tighter panel gaps, higher quality materials, better transmission, better suspension geometry(well documented), equivalent engines, better brakes, am i missing something here? i guess the cobras have a better rear end(although that's certainly argued on a regular basis), but both certainly need all of the bushings replaced.

is it really that big of a surprise that the S197 chassis is better than the last of the fox chassis? is it really a shock that ford made the car better than the previous car?!

 

[96slowbra]

i loved my terminator and was hesitant to replace it with a soild rear axle car because i love the auto-x and owning a 2000 cobra r made me instantly fall in love with road course racing. i haven't made it to a road course of any kind yet, but this car certainly out handles my lowered cobra. as it should, the chassis were unchanged since '79, with the exception of the shoe-horned-in after thought irs. i agree that the shelby's should have a new irs system, but i hope that when it finds its way back to the mustang platform, ford designs the entire platform together.

don't get me wrong, i loved my 2004. it played a crucial role in the development of its later version, the gt-500, and that will lead to bigger and better....

 

[Jroc]

*boohoo, butt hurt from an internet post*


"...but the way you always try and push the Terminator to be inferior to every S197 is BS..."

lets see here, stiffer modern chassis, tighter panel gaps, higher quality materials, better transmission, better suspension geometry(well documented), equivalent engines, better brakes, am i missing something here? i guess the cobras have a better rear end(although that's certainly argued on a regular basis), but both certainly need all of the bushings replaced.

is it really that big of a surprise that the S197 chassis is better than the last of the fox chassis? is it really a shock that ford made the car better than the previous car?!

Ain't noone butthurt so quit trying to act like your the man, and are getting over on me or something.

Lets see here Terminators have better trannies than 95% of the S197's,(don't know where you're getting the whole trannie thing from) stronger factory motors than all S197's,(yes GT500's rods will not support the power that has been pushed out of factory Terminator longblocks), most S197's don't come with Brembo rotor's and PBR two piston calipers so no most S197's don't have better brakes, and while the S197 platform is defanently better, and suspension uses better geometry the Terminators use better pieces on their suspension.(other than maybe front a-arms, but shocks/struts, springs, etc)

Do you feel that a pre-2011 S197 GT is a better performance car than either a Terminator or 2000 Cobra R for example?

Yes the S197 is a better platform, and good I would hate for Ford to move backwards from an old Foxbody based chassis, but when modded right the Foxbody platform performs well in all area's. You were trying to faunt the fact(if it even is a fact) that a modded Cobra couldn't compete with a GT500 on a road course. That would be like me faunting the fact that a 390 HP car with only a CAI will outrun its replacement with 500 HP and over a $10K hike in price. That might start a little argument.

Why are you dodging my questions? What do you drive? How much experiance do you have with EITHER of these cars? How many big name Modular tuners have you personnally talked face to face to about each cars traits, personalities, strong points, advantages, disadvantages, etc?

 

[Ry_Trapp0]

lol, i'm not acting like anything, but you can believe what you want.

HEY GUYS, DID YOU KNOW THAT THE 2003 FORD MUSTANG COBRA HAS BETTER PARTS THAN THE 2005 MUSTANG GT?! I NEVER EVER EVER KNEW THIS IN MY WHOLE LIFE!!!

i'll respond to the rest when you decide to not make stupid, ignorant, ridiculous arguements, "oh, well the terminator is better than the mustang GT!".
and, sorry, but i've already posted videos of 1,000RWHP stock longblock GT500s. with stock factory rods. the fact that you choose to ignore then does not make them non-existent.

 

[chuckstang]

I don't have kids right now but when I do and a GT500 is too expensive, I will most def get a Terminator. Id have one right now as well if I could

 

[ON D BIT]

Lets see here Terminators have better trannies than 95% of the S197's,(don't know where you're getting the whole trannie thing from) stronger factory motors than all S197's,(yes GT500's rods will not support the power that has been pushed out of factory Terminator longblocks), most S197's don't come with Brembo rotor's and PBR two piston calipers so no most S197's don't have better brakes, and while the S197 platform is defanently better, and suspension uses better geometry the Terminators use better pieces on their suspension.(other than maybe front a-arms, but shocks/struts, springs, etc)

Tell me your not comparing the 03/04 mustang svt to the s197 mustang gt? :nonono:

 

[Jroc]

lol, i'm not acting like anything, but you can believe what you want.

HEY GUYS, DID YOU KNOW THAT THE 2003 FORD MUSTANG COBRA HAS BETTER PARTS THAN THE 2005 MUSTANG GT?! I NEVER EVER EVER KNEW THIS IN MY WHOLE LIFE!!!

i'll respond to the rest when you decide to not make stupid, ignorant, ridiculous arguements, "oh, well the terminator is better than the mustang GT!".
and, sorry, but i've already posted videos of 1,000RWHP stock longblock GT500s. with stock factory rods. the fact that you choose to ignore then does not make them non-existent.

LMAO!!!

Don't front. You can't argue with me on this because you're to ignorant to what these cars have. You have absoluty NO experiance with either car, and you've probably never even been in a new Mustang GT for that matter so you have no room to talk because you're stupid. You just have a boner for the cars. You claim that all S197's have better trannies, brakes, equal motors, etc to Terminators. If you feel that than your really are ignorant as hell.

True GT500's come with better heads, pistons, cooling systems, etc, but show me a GT500 with a factory longblock thats made 1,300 whp. Its been done in Terminators.

 

[Jroc]

Tell me your not comparing the 03/04 mustang svt to the s197 mustang gt? :nonono:

Tell that to your butt buddy. I'm just straighting out his facts.

 

[Ry_Trapp0]

Tell me your not comparing the 03/04 mustang svt to the s197 mustang gt? :nonono:

yep, he sure is! he realizes he misinterpreted what i said but he can't admit it, so he has to twist ever word i post in any way he can so he can "win":rollseyes

 

[09Troublemaker]

Tell me your not comparing the 03/04 mustang svt to the s197 mustang gt? :nonono:

I need some of thisop: for that:read:

 

[Jroc]

yep, he sure is! he realizes he misinterpreted what i said but he can't admit it, so he has to twist ever word i post in any way he can so he can "win":rollseyes

I've done told you to quit fronting. You lost this agrument back in post #87 when you backed out of it. You have NO experiance with either car, so you have NO room to talk. I mean have you ever been in any Mustang? You have NO experiance other than the IE.

Besides you're the dumb ass comparing Mustang GT motors to Corvette Z06 motors. Now thats a stupid agrument. I wasn't comparing Mustang GT's to Terminators because they don't. You're the idiot saying that S197's have better brakes, trannies, equal motors, etc to Terminators. I was just correcting you, and asking you if you honestly felt that a S197 GT was superior to a Terminator/Cobra R so again quit fronting!!!

 

[ON D BIT]

I've done told you to quit fronting. You lost this agrument back in post #87 when you backed out of it. You have NO experiance with either car, so you have NO room to talk. I mean have you ever been in any Mustang? You have NO experiance other than the IE.

Besides you're the dumb ass comparing Mustang GT motors to Corvette Z06 motors. Now thats a stupid agrument. I wasn't comparing Mustang GT's to Terminators because they don't. You're the idiot saying that S197's have better brakes, trannies, equal motors, etc to Terminators. I was just correcting you, and asking you if you honestly felt that a S197 GT was superior to a Terminator/Cobra R so again quit fronting!!!

Wow this thread spiraled out of control. :rollseyes

Since we are so off topic, lets go back to an old topic. The dohc 5.4 is a better starting point than the new dohc 5.0. I even started a new thread, where most people believe that a properly built 5.0 will max out at 500rwhp or just above. Well short of the near 600rwhp the 5.4 makes....

 

[ac427cobra]

Ok guys, take a deep breath and cool your collective jets! :nonono:

 

[Ry_Trapp0]

"done told me"? "fronting"? whatever you say.


alright, lets trace this back to the root cause. i posted up the H2H video, and i listed the mods that the owner of the cobra had posted on the internet him self. i said nothing more, go back and read the post.
you come in all gung hoe defending the cobra by saying he might have added drag racing bullshit that made it handle worse. whether or not this is the case is irrelevant, because we both know, in absolutely 100% stock form, that the GT500 would handily beat the cobra around said race track, on said day, in said conditions, with said driver, and this was absolutely obviously my point.

the next major point in the conversation is where you spew this big bunch of absolute 100% bullshit out of your ass, about me saying that a 2005 mustang GT is better than a 2003/2004 mustang cobra. QUOTE ME. i have never said this because i'm not the ****ing moron that you are trying oh so hard to make me out to be. what i have said since the S197 cars have came out is that the S197 chassis is superior to the fox/SN95/new edge/whatever you want to call it in every single way. the chassis is better for drag racing due to the increased torsional stiffness, it's better for road racing due to the increased stiffness everywhere and the better suspension geometry front and rear, and it's better on the street due to the stiffness and geometry. also, the model equivalent brakes are better, model equivalent transmissions are better, and model equivalent engines are better with the exception of the cobra and GT500. the cobra and GT500 engines are equal until proven otherwise. the pistons are the proven weak point in the cobras and the rods are the obvious weak point in the GT500, and neither has really proven to be much 'weaker' than the other.

now, having said all of this, it would be much appreciated if you would quit trying to put words into my mouth.


as far as the engine thread, the "the LS engines are touched by the hand of god!!!" guys know that the only way they can make the LS look superior to the coyote is to use one of their top of the line engines instead of an equivalent engine. and, before you jump to some conclusions, as i already said the coyote is a more technologically advanced, efficient engine, but in the end the larger displacement of the LS engines straight has more power potential.

 

[Kewlv8]

:nono: Don't be dissing on the ol Terminator. That car has a few attributes that the GT500 lacks. The Shelby is a bigger car in every dimension which comes at a price which a few GT500 owners have grudgingly admitted. For a modding platform for someone who wants a "seat-of-the-pants fun to drive" car the Cobra would be a hard act to follow (the friggen chassis has a shorter wheelbase then a Honda Civic ). Some of us prefer the compact sleeker, low-key appearance of the Terminator.

I agree 'to each his own'. The GT500 felt right-sized to me, where the previous gen was much more of a sub-compact car, which I was not interested in. Then again, I like muscle cars. If I wanted a smaller car, I would have bought the C6.

 

[Jroc]

Wow this thread spiraled out of control. :rollseyes

Since we are so off topic, lets go back to an old topic. The dohc 5.4 is a better starting point than the new dohc 5.0. I even started a new thread, where most people believe that a properly built 5.0 will max out at 500rwhp or just above. Well short of the near 600rwhp the 5.4 makes....

Are you gay or a kid or something? WTF?

Yeahhh!!! Ok then "Bro" the 5.4 is a better motor then the Coyote! I admit it! Now you can go beat off, and feel better about yourself!

"done told me"? "fronting"? whatever you say.


alright, lets trace this back to the root cause. i posted up the H2H video, and i listed the mods that the owner of the cobra had posted on the internet him self. i said nothing more, go back and read the post.
you come in all gung hoe defending the cobra by saying he might have added drag racing bullshit that made it handle worse. whether or not this is the case is irrelevant, because we both know, in absolutely 100% stock form, that the GT500 would handily beat the cobra around said race track, on said day, in said conditions, with said driver, and this was absolutely obviously my point.

the next major point in the conversation is where you spew this big bunch of absolute 100% bullshit out of your ass, about me saying that a 2005 mustang GT is better than a 2003/2004 mustang cobra. QUOTE ME. i have never said this because i'm not the ****ing moron that you are trying oh so hard to make me out to be. what i have said since the S197 cars have came out is that the S197 chassis is superior to the fox/SN95/new edge/whatever you want to call it in every single way. the chassis is better for drag racing due to the increased torsional stiffness, it's better for road racing due to the increased stiffness everywhere and the better suspension geometry front and rear, and it's better on the street due to the stiffness and geometry. also, the model equivalent brakes are better, model equivalent transmissions are better, and model equivalent engines are better with the exception of the cobra and GT500. the cobra and GT500 engines are equal until proven otherwise. the pistons are the proven weak point in the cobras and the rods are the obvious weak point in the GT500, and neither has really proven to be much 'weaker' than the other.

now, having said all of this, it would be much appreciated if you would quit trying to put words into my mouth.


as far as the engine thread, the "the LS engines are touched by the hand of god!!!" guys know that the only way they can make the LS look superior to the coyote is to use one of their top of the line engines instead of an equivalent engine. and, before you jump to some conclusions, as i already said the coyote is a more technologically advanced, efficient engine, but in the end the larger displacement of the LS engines straight has more power potential.

Let me tell you what your problem is little wannabe GT500 owner. You like to always tell Terminator owners what their cars are about, and what they'll do, and how they compare to other cars when you have zero experiance with them. You always want to act like Terminator owners are a bunch of ignorant morans who are blinded by their fanboyism. Let me tell you most Terminator owners are smart enough to admit that GT500's are better cars, and usually the people who say otherwise are the ones who are wannabe Terminator owner fanboys kind of the same way you are about GT500's, or are ones who have ridden in both and are more impressed by the Terminators more raw naughter, and less impressed about the GT500's more mellow demeaner. Sure Terminator owners(including myself) are proud of, and are defensive of their cars, but thats because they are very good. I guarentee you that if you were to ride in even a lightly modded one you would be giddy as hell about how badass it actually is, but trust me you don't know what to expect even if you think you do if you've never been in one.

Let me tell you what a Terminator excels at. Its good at being a badass, powerful streetcar, thats extremely streetable when drive normally, but is crazy fast, and response when you get liberal with the throttle. Its not a Elise or 911,(neither is a GT500) but its not some dog in a turn either. It does alright, and in particular corners much flatter and has less brake dive than any SRA Mustang I've ever driven. Probably something to do with the fact that on a IRS you can run over twice the spring rate as a SRA can and keep its same/or better ride quality, but you always bash its rear suspension. Sure the S197's have a great SRA's that are positioned very well, and they handle great, but I've never driven a 4link Mustang that I liked as much as my IRS.

What you were doing by listing what you think that Cobra has done to it, and flaunting the fact that it lost to the GT500 was to act like its such an inferior car even when modded. You've done similar stuff to this before. And don't try and act like "well I was just being real." No you were try to be like, "look even modded the Terminator is very inferior to the GT500". Then when I disagree with you in a nice way you want to call me a retard. Then when I'm like WTF your problem you claim that your staighting a fact and not calling names or some smartass shit. Thats what started this argument. But hey man if you want to argue I'll go until I'm blue in the face, especially when its with someone who's just a kid who has no experiance with what he's preaching.

 

[GOTSVT?]

For the record chuckstang, coolaid is spelt with a K. Koolaid.
I think you just upset a lot of kids.